Question About the Fastest City in the World.

[Pego]

The biggest problem with SW's "advantage" I have is the fact that all cases of gonadal polymorphism (Turner, Klinefelter)

From the article it sounds like she was mosaic for XO and XY cells, so maybe her Turner syndrome was relatively mild? One can only guess at how few Y cells she had. Couldn't there be a ratio of XO:XY cells where she would gain more from her XY advantage compared to her XO disadvantage?

Great question. I am not aware of any work, where solid medicine would investigate these unusual athletes. You have clinical studies, you have stories like the ones linked above. I personally believe, these women are great in spite of the chromosomal anomaly, not because of it.

[Daisy]

The biggest problem with SW's "advantage" I have is the fact that all cases of gonadal polymorphism (Turner, Klinefelter)

From the article it sounds like she was mosaic for XO and XY cells, so maybe her Turner syndrome was relatively mild? One can only guess at how few Y cells she had. Couldn't there be a ratio of XO:XY cells where she would gain more from her XY advantage compared to her XO disadvantage?

[Pego]

Re the "outrage" over the Stella outing, here's an old newspaper story:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 09,2644066

The biggest problem with SW's "advantage" I have is the fact that all cases of gonadal polymorphism (Turner, Klinefelter) result in lesser, not greater athletic abilities.

[Conor Dary]

Stella Walsh broke a WR running in a men's race. As noted in The WR progression book, "this is probably where 'she' belonged all along."

[gh]

Re the "outrage" over the Stella outing, here's an old newspaper story:

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1 ... 09,2644066

[slowcat]

Regarding Dillard and Owens. They both attended the same school although not at the same time: East Technical H.S

[gh]

I'm not sure there was ever enough "acceptable evidence" for the IOC to summarily do a medal yank so many years after the fact. Like their stance on drugs (which I'm not sure is 100% unreasonable) there's a statute of limitations to think about.

My memory could be faulty, but I also remember the Polish-American community going beserk when the news broke. I seem to recall their having the subject pretty much shut down, such an icon was she/he, although there were stories of a quote attributed to her her former husband along teh lines of, "I wondered why we never made love with the lights on."

[lonewolf]

Stanisława Walasiewicz/Stella Walsh moved to Cleveland from Poland at three months old.

His/her name came up on another thread recently. Does anyone know the reasoning for her/his records being still on the books in light of the post-mortem discovery of his/her questionable gender; having external female genitalia and undescended testicles?
Was he/she known as Stanislaw before becoming Stella? I sympathize with his/her dilema but , if so, it seems to me there was deliberate deception.

[bluequiet]

Thanks Triple, I appreciate it. Very interesting stuff.

[Triplej]

Stanisława Walasiewicz/Stella Walsh moved to Cleveland from Poland at three months old.

[bluequiet]

I'm at a loss. Please do fill me in, GH, I'm intrested to know.

[gh]

GH, I feel I should know who you speak of but I don't. You're talking runner, not pole vaulter, right?

I'm talking 100 meters, just like the thread started.

[Daisy]

It seems that Harold Abrahams was brought up close to London, but not really what I'd consider London.

Agree, it's not really London. Also he was at a boarding school, Repton, in Derbyshire, even further away from London.

Rather than focus on the 100m gold medalists, a small number of people, it might be more interesting to see a tally of all 100m and 200m medalists, both men and women.

[bluequiet]

It seems that Harold Abrahams was brought up close to London, but not really what I'd consider London. I guess to some extent we are talking about semantics in all this, but I would venture to say Abrahams was more from Bedford which is it's own seperate area.

Christie, however, was from London. Very similar in his migratory story to Jesse Owens and Cleveland. Interesting.

[bluequiet]

GH, I feel I should know who you speak of but I don't. You're talking runner, not pole vaulter, right?