I just made an observation on the wDT thread that an important era in T&F history just ended (Dietzsch and Nerius) - the effects of the DDR. WITHOUT getting into more PEDs rehashings, they made important contributions that carry over into today's sport. Their talent identification and training methods were far ahead of their time and pushed the sport into a more modern era. Let's just look at the positive and wish them a nice ride into the sunset.
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Originally posted by StafanitusNerius is born 1972 and came on the scene just in 1991/1992. so this is just a complete different story. Not quite sure she was not involved, but puting her name connected with the end of an PED era is not quite fair.
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Originally posted by StafanitusNerius is born 1972 and came on the scene just in 1991/1992. so this is just a complete different story. Not quite sure she was not involved, but puting her name connected with the end of an PED era is not quite fair.
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Originally posted by Marlowan important era in T&F history just ended (Dietzsch and Nerius) - the effects of the DDR"A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact."
by Thomas Henry Huxley
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I am NOT, repeat NOT advocating what I next write, but if we did it, how good would our National Teams be ?!
Send hundreds of government-paid coaches-scouts to all Middle Schools, evaluate talent, and pick a few thousand every year, send them ( parents having no say in the matter) to year-around residential youth Track Camps/Schools for 8-10 (or more) years of intensive coaching/training.
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Originally posted by dukehjsteveSend hundreds of government-paid coaches-scouts to all Middle Schools, evaluate talent, and pick a few thousand every year, send them ( parents having no say in the matter) to year-around residential youth Track Camps/Schools for 8-10 (or more) years of intensive coaching/training.
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It's absolutely ludicrous to start a thread about the GDR and suggest not mentioning PEDs. Their system of talent selection, sports schools, training methods, and administering drugs, were directly interlinked and designed to optimize successful performance in the International arena.
The GDR won numerous bogus medals, deprived huge numbers of clean athletes from fair competition, made a mockery of some world records, allegedly damaged the health of some athletes, threw those who weren't of elite potential on the scrapheap, and provided a model for the BALCOs of this world.
Focus on the positives? What positives? Good riddance is about the politest I can come up with...
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Originally posted by marknhjIt's absolutely ludicrous to start a thread about the GDR and suggest not mentioning PEDs. Their system of talent selection, sports schools, training methods, and administering drugs, were directly interlinked and designed to optimize successful performance in the International arena.
The GDR won numerous bogus medals, deprived huge numbers of clean athletes from fair competition, made a mockery of some world records, allegedly damaged the health of some athletes, threw those who weren't of elite potential on the scrapheap, and provided a model for the BALCOs of this world.
Focus on the positives? What positives? Good riddance is about the politest I can come up with...
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Originally posted by MarlowOriginally posted by dukehjsteveSend hundreds of government-paid coaches-scouts to all Middle Schools, evaluate talent, and pick a few thousand every year, send them ( parents having no say in the matter) to year-around residential youth Track Camps/Schools for 8-10 (or more) years of intensive coaching/training.
Also, DDR and now China & Cuba, etc. are scouting talent for all Olympic sports.
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Originally posted by marknhjIt's absolutely ludicrous to start a thread about the GDR and suggest not mentioning PEDs. Their system of talent selection, sports schools, training methods, and administering drugs, were directly interlinked and designed to optimize successful performance in the International arena.
The GDR won numerous bogus medals, deprived huge numbers of clean athletes from fair competition, made a mockery of some world records, allegedly damaged the health of some athletes, threw those who weren't of elite potential on the scrapheap, and provided a model for the BALCOs of this world.
Focus on the positives? What positives? Good riddance is about the politest I can come up with...
I know you competed against GDR high jumpers, and feel aggrieved at the advantage you feel they got from drugs, but what about athletes from the rest of the Eastern Bloc, or from the US - either Americans or athletes from other countries who trained there - who were very probably using PEDs as well? Do you feel the same animosity towards them? Or your British teammates in other events who were on PEDS, did you draw attention to their drug use?
Do you honestly feel at the major championship level that there were many clean athletes making the major finals, given that your international career lasted from the late 70s to mid 80s?
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Originally posted by Stafanituswhere did you get this "parents had to say nothing"? there are many families that did not send or took of their children from sport schools cause they did not want them to be athletes, or simply did not want their children to leave.Było smaszno, a jaszmije smukwijne...
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Originally posted by marknhjIt's absolutely ludicrous to start a thread about the GDR and suggest not mentioning PEDs.
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