WRs by age and ethnic background

[lonewolf]

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I was not aware the existence of different "races", however determined, was in dispute by anyone and I don't understand the umbrage of those who are quick to deny any connection between "race" and athletic ability. Heck, if Comanche/Caucasian halfbreeds were famous for anything, I would be first on that bandwagon.
I suspect athletic superiority is probably the result of genetics, environment, culture and motivation. "Race" is just the most visible identifier. I posit that the geographical distribution of speed/ endurance/ strength is the result of generations of evolvement and enhancement of particular genetic capabilities concentrated in a given area, which will customarily be predominately inhabited by people of a given "race."
Certainly, there are racial and geographic outliers and exceptions, positive and negative. So what? What is the beef?

[Pego]

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I was not aware the existence of different "races", however determined, was in dispute by anyone and I don't understand the umbrage of those who are quick to deny any connection between "race" and athletic ability. Heck, if Comanche/Caucasian halfbreeds were famous for anything, I would be first on that bandwagon.
I suspect athletic superiority is probably the result of genetics, environment, culture and motivation. "Race" is just the most visible identifier. I posit that the geographical distribution of speed/ endurance/ strength is the result of generations of evolvement and enhancement of particular genetic capabilities concentrated in a given area, which will customarily be predominately inhabited by people of a given "race."
Certainly, there are racial and geographic outliers and exceptions, positive and negative. So what? What is the beef?

If you look at the beginning of the thread, nobody questioned the existence of races or the existence of genes that favor certain groups for certain things. It was an idiotic racial/ethnic classification that brought out the howling.

[Avante]

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Social, cultural and enviornmental...hmmmmm? Let's say a wealthy rancher in Montana adopted 4 black children and 4 white children who lost their parents in a plane crash. Obviously all the boys would be raised the same. I'm betting that by the age of 14 the black boys are beating their white brothers in basketball, football and the 4x1/4x4.

It's never been about anything other than physical differences.

[jhc68]

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OK, Avante, I'll take the bet!!!
Find a rancher and 8 orphan kids and let's see what happens

[Avante]

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OK, Avante, I'll take the bet!!!
Find a rancher and 8 orphan kids and let's see what happens

I grew up in Visalia Cali which is about in the middle between Fresno and Bakersfield. This area of Cali has given the speed world...

Leamon King...Delano...Olympian
Jerry White...Corcoran...number one HS athlete of the year
Maxie Parks...Fresno...Olympian
Tommie Smith...Lemoore...legend
Larance Jones...Lemoore...sub45.00 man

All black sprinters of note. What seperated them from everyone else who grew up around here? Social? Culture? Enviornment? Why do I doubt that?

In Visalia during my high school days the fastest guys around were Milton Edwards, Augusta Brown, Sam Davis, Roger Jones, Ocie Early, Lee Calahan, Phil Reeves, Alvin Mann.....all black guys. Why is that?

[Pego]

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Social, cultural and enviornmental...hmmmmm? Let's say a wealthy rancher in Montana adopted 4 black children and 4 white children who lost their parents in a plane crash. Obviously all the boys would be raised the same. I'm betting that by the age of 14 the black boys are beating their white brothers in basketball, football and the 4x1/4x4.

It's never been about anything other than physical differences.

Any black kids vs. any white kids? You are serious, right :roll: ? There are no klutz blacks and no athlete whites, right?

[lonewolf]

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All black sprinters of note. What seperated them from everyone else who grew up around here? Social? Culture? Enviornment? Why do I doubt that?

In Visalia during my high school days the fastest guys around were Milton Edwards, Augusta Brown, Sam Davis, Roger Jones, Ocie Early, Lee Calahan, Phil Reeves, Alvin Mann.....all black guys. Why is that?

I am not a genetic denier. I suspect that if you go back a very few generations these California blacks came from a West Africa gene pool.
I am only theorizing that sprinters, throwers, distance runners are culturally motivated to excel in the traditional strengths of their environmental peers.
I repeat, I acknowledge the outliers but am still mystified why some seem to take offense at the suggestion there are genetic differences in inherent ability. It is not a defect to be superior.

[Powell]

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Social, cultural and enviornmental...hmmmmm? Let's say a wealthy rancher in Montana adopted 4 black children and 4 white children who lost their parents in a plane crash. Obviously all the boys would be raised the same. I'm betting that by the age of 14 the black boys are beating their white brothers in basketball, football and the 4x1/4x4.

Again, would you be equally willing to make the bet if you knew the black kids would come from Ethiopia?

[Pego]

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Social, cultural and enviornmental...hmmmmm? Let's say a wealthy rancher in Montana adopted 4 black children and 4 white children who lost their parents in a plane crash. Obviously all the boys would be raised the same. I'm betting that by the age of 14 the black boys are beating their white brothers in basketball, football and the 4x1/4x4.

Again, would you be equally willing to make the bet if you knew the black kids would come from Ethiopia?

...or from a fat family, or with some genetic fault, or lazy, or unknown parents, or...The whole concept of "racial superiority" in toto without actually spelling out details of genetic advantages is absurd.

[Avante]

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Social, cultural and enviornmental...hmmmmm? Let's say a wealthy rancher in Montana adopted 4 black children and 4 white children who lost their parents in a plane crash. Obviously all the boys would be raised the same. I'm betting that by the age of 14 the black boys are beating their white brothers in basketball, football and the 4x1/4x4.

It's never been about anything other than physical differences.

Any black kids vs. any white kids? You are serious, right :roll: ? There are no klutz blacks and no athlete whites, right?

That's right, dead serious. The odds of blacks being the klutz and whites being the athletes, I like my chances.

[Avante]

Re: WRs by age and ethnic background

Social, cultural and enviornmental...hmmmmm? Let's say a wealthy rancher in Montana adopted 4 black children and 4 white children who lost their parents in a plane crash. Obviously all the boys would be raised the same. I'm betting that by the age of 14 the black boys are beating their white brothers in basketball, football and the 4x1/4x4.

Again, would you be equally willing to make the bet if you knew the black kids would come from Ethiopia?

I 've made it very clear I 'm talking about blacks with roots to western Africa. Nigeria being a great example. Even a country that screwed up has produced a hand full of sub10.00 sprinters while China with all their advantages........0.

[Avante]

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Social, cultural and enviornmental...hmmmmm? Let's say a wealthy rancher in Montana adopted 4 black children and 4 white children who lost their parents in a plane crash. Obviously all the boys would be raised the same. I'm betting that by the age of 14 the black boys are beating their white brothers in basketball, football and the 4x1/4x4.

Again, would you be equally willing to make the bet if you knew the black kids would come from Ethiopia?

...or from a fat family, or with some genetic fault, or lazy, or unknown parents, or...The whole concept of "racial superiority" in toto without actually spelling out details of genetic advantages is absurd.

Tell NFL scouts that.

[kuha]

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Social, cultural and enviornmental...hmmmmm? Let's say a wealthy rancher in Montana adopted 4 black children and 4 white children who lost their parents in a plane crash. Obviously all the boys would be raised the same. I'm betting that by the age of 14 the black boys are beating their white brothers in basketball, football and the 4x1/4x4.

Again, would you be equally willing to make the bet if you knew the black kids would come from Ethiopia?

I 've made it very clear I 'm talking about blacks with roots to western Africa. Nigeria being a great example. Even a country that screwed up has produced a hand full of sub10.00 sprinters while China with all their advantages........0.

So you're talking about a particular genetic population, which is what some of us have been emphasizing all along. Thus, the terms "race" and "ethnicity" are really of no use here, and even "black" is more misleading than helpful. Sure, all of the athletes in question are "black" but so are those "dynamite" sprinters from Ethiopia, Eritrea, and so on.

So, after all this huffing and puffing, you've "proven" what we all knew all along: the sprinters who have dominated on a global basis for a couple generations now are very predominantly of West African descent. This is an absolutely unremarkable statement and utterly common knowledge. It all begins to get SLIGHTLY more interesting, I suspect, if one then begins to focus rigorously on differences within that West African gene pool--to see how far and wide these outliers may be produced. But I know you're not going to bother to do this.

What a waste of brain cells and electrons.

[Avante]

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A true waste of brain cells and electrons is thinking other factors besides race enter into this. It is all about race. The fastest sprinters on earth...negroid. Nothing else matters. Now that's not saying all those in the negroid race are fast. It's all about %. More......from that race are fast.

Let's take the USA for an example. What 13% are Afro Americans? Of that 13% let's say 7% are between the ages of 16-30. So a mere 7% of a population has about 95% of all the speed positions in athlectics covered. This isn't about race? Hell yes it is!

[kuha]

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A true waste of brain cells and electrons is thinking other factors besides race enter into this. It is all about race. The fastest sprinters on earth...negroid. Nothing else matters. Now that's not saying all those in the negroid race are fast. It's all about %. More......from that race are fast.

Let's take the USA for an example. What 13% are Afro Americans? Of that 13% let's say 7% are between the ages of 16-30. So a mere 7% of a population has about 95% of all the speed positions in athlectics covered. This isn't about race? Hell yes it is!

Oh my God. Are you truly incapable of READING what anyone else has said--or of comprehending it? Clearly the answer is YES [edit!!!].

A lesson for all of us.