WRs by age and ethnic background

[Daisy]

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2. So again...why is it suddenly important to be scientific when describing who can run fast, when that type of analysis isn't done to describe different looking people in day to day life?
You won't answer it, so I guess I'll have to.

2. No, I cannot answer this, as I have no idea what you are asking.

It means why are you interested in looking at it from a 'scientific' perspective when you can just go with generalities.

[TrackDaddy]

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It also means there's nothing wrong -for the sake of discussion- with noticing and saying that generally speaking the fastest sprinters in the world are black.

Especially since we all know its true.

Why is science needed to express or rationalize that any more specificly when we don't use science to discern the genetic make up of the guy who robbed the liquor store? No, if he looks black we just say it was a black dude and move on.

But because this "black people generally run faster" thing seems to be a sensitive issue here :roll: the very mention of it got Avante attacked and ostracized. It's like the white guy is being bullied by other white guys for acknowledging some long denied family secret to others.

So, apparently, all of a sudden when it comes to issue of most of the fastest sprinters being black the use of "black guy" isn't specific enough and is therefore inappropriate. :?

We need a full blown lab experiment complete with DNA analysis to sort this one out and Avante needs to be banned for even mentioning it. :? :roll:

[Daisy]

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But because this "black people generally run faster" thing seems to be a sensitive issue here

I think most people here try to have a meaningful conversation.

[Avante]

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In my attempt to have a meaningful conversation....

So we are actually one race. The human race. I gotta be honest, it sure doesn't seem that way. I could never confuse Hong Kong, Mexico City, Kingston or Dallas. One race......hmmmm?

[Daisy]

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In my attempt to have a meaningful conversation....

So we are actually one race. The human race. I gotta be honest, it sure doesn't seem that way. I could never confuse Hong Kong, Mexico City, Kingston or Dallas. One race......hmmmm?

That is what the genetics suggest, BUT it depends on how you want to define race. :wink:

[TrackDaddy]

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Of course if we're discussing crime rates, illiteracy or some other negative stigmatic issue, then any suggestion of everyone being one race no longer applies.

[Avante]

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In my attempt to have a meaningful conversation....

So we are actually one race. The human race. I gotta be honest, it sure doesn't seem that way. I could never confuse Hong Kong, Mexico City, Kingston or Dallas. One race......hmmmm?

That is what the genetics suggest, BUT it depends on how you want to define race. :wink:

I have a question for youy Daisy. Being a big football/track fan I've noticed that when it comes to size with speed or height with speed it's always the Afro-ites who possess that combo. What's with that? Being one race and all, you'd think we'd see others with that combo and not just the Afro-ites. What's your theory?

[Daisy]

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Of course if we're discussing crime rates, illiteracy or some other negative stigmatic issue, then any suggestion of everyone being one race no longer applies.

There you go generalizing again. You might well be surrounded by such people but that does not mean everyone does it.

I've noticed that when it comes to size with speed or height with speed it's always the Afro-ites who possess that combo

Are you talking about in the US? I don't have a theory but I can tell you that any answer will involves combinations of many genetic alleles and environmental factors.

Height is a highly heritable trait meaning there is a large genetic component. Yet, we do see big differences in average height between countries. Data suggests that the differences we see between countries are almost entirely due to nutrition (obviously there are some exceptions).

Take home. First, most populations have the same genetic capacity (in this case height, but also seen for countless other traits) and thus biologists tend not to use the term race when discussing human populations, that is usually reserved for situations where there are a large number of distinct genetic differences between populations. Second, just because something is highly heritable, like height, does not mean the environment (culture, nutrition) can't have a dramatic effect on how we look or behave.

[Avante]

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Of course if we're discussing crime rates, illiteracy or some other negative stigmatic issue, then any suggestion of everyone being one race no longer applies.

There you go generalizing again. You might well be surrounded by such people but that does not mean everyone does it.

When a black, white, Asian is the first to do something we will hear about it......why? If Doug Williams is mentioned...."he was the first black QB to...." If a white sprinter were to break the 100m record I guarantee..."Billy Bob Howard is the first white sprinter to..." Why? I saw a thing about Bobby Mitchell the other day.."he was the first black to play for the Washington Redskins"....why is that even mentioned? I have a great book.."The Black Athlete"...why was that even written? Sports Illustrated called....ENDZONE(book about a black running back at a white college)...the best fictional book about football. Why was it written? Jerry Levias is famous for being the first black footballer in the old SWC. Why is this news?

A few years ago the Colts played the Bears in the Superbowl, why does it matter that that was the first time two black head coachs were there? Why is there Ebony Magazine? Soul Train? Black History Month? BET? Grambling? Jackson State and all those HBCU schools? Way back in the day...."race records" Why do we see that with just one race and all?

[Daisy]

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Why is this news?

Because we are infatuated with obvious differences.

Like wise the NYTimes has lists for hardback and softback books. Why bother distinguishing them?

[Avante]

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Are you talking about in the US? I don't have a theory but I can tell you that any answer will involves combinations of many genetic alleles and environmental factors.

Height is a highly heritable trait meaning there is a large genetic component. Yet, we do see big differences in average height between countries. Data suggests that the differences we see between countries are almost entirely due to nutrition (obviously there are some exceptions).

Take home. First, most populations have the same genetic capacity (in this case height, but also seen for countless other traits) and thus biologists tend not to use the term race when discussing human populations, that is usually reserved for situations where there are a large number of distinct genetic differences between populations. Second, just because something is highly heritable, like height, does not mean the environment (culture, nutrition) can't have a dramatic effect on how we look or behave.

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Let's see both 6-4 Francis Obikwelu and 250 pound Christine Okoye were from Nigeria. Usain Bolt is from Jamaica. Bo Jackson and Herschel Walker were from the American south. Tommie Smith was from the west coast of America while Steve Williams was from the east coast of America. Hasley Crawford was a Trinidadian. All big or tall speedsters from different population groups. The only thing they have in common.....hmnmmm?

[Daisy]

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The only thing they have in common.....hmnmmm?

'White' genes in their genetic past? :twisted: A passion for cricket?

It is these questions that are attracting a lot of attention with in science right now. Although more from a disease perspective. If we can understand genetic makeup of outliers it might be beneficial in understanding the statistical likely hood of certain disease within a population. And this is true for every population.

The major problem with this approach is we are more than our genes. Even identical twins are not identical. Why?

[Avante]

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The only thing they have in common.....hmnmmm?

White genes in their genetic past? :twisted:

A passion for cricket?

Another question for you Daisy. Why is it only those Afro-ites have those quick, agile, elusive moves out there on the football field? You know guys like Gale Sayers, Willie Galimore, Buddy Young, Devin Hester, Barry Sanders, Billy "White Soes" Johnson, Ollie Matson, Bobby Mitchell etc etc etc etc. Why the rhythm?

[Daisy]

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Why the rhythm?

Did you see what I wrote above? I added it after you replied. It's all about statistical likely hood with more than genetics involved. If you live by the rule of generalizing talent based on one trait then you miss genetic outliers from other populations or unexpected places. And the expectations for others will be unrealistic.

[Avante]

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Why the rhythm?

Did you see what I wrote above? I added it after you replied. It's all about statistical likely hood with more than genetics involved. If you live by the rule of generalizing talent based on one trait then you miss genetic outliers from other populations or unexpected places. And the expectations for others will be unrealistic.

So the fact that all the great sprinters/running backs are black has absolutely nothing to do with genetics? It's all about statistical likely hood? The fact that no other populations are running sub10.00 or gaining 1500 yds in an NFL saeason has ...0...to do with genetics?