WRs by age and ethnic background

[Daisy]

Re: WRs by age and ethnic background

The fact that no other populations are running sub10.00 or gaining 1500 yds in an NFL saeason has ...0...to do with genetics?

When did i ever imply that?

[Avante]

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The fact that no other populations are running sub10.00 or gaining 1500 yds in an NFL saeason has ...0...to do with genetics?

When did i ever imply that?

Break this down for me....

It's all about statistical likely hood with more than genetics involved. If you live by the rule of generalizing talent based on one trait then you miss genetic outliers from other populations or unexpected places. And the expectations for others will be unrealistic.Daisy

.....I'm not getting it I guess.

[Pego]

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Excerpt from the article, Daisy linked to on the "First people" thread.

"When we use labels like ‘black' or ‘African', they are gross approximations," agrees Charles Rotimi of the National Human Genome Research Institute in Bethesda, Maryland, who studies the influence of culture, lifestyle and genetics on patterns of obesity, hypertension and diabetes in African Americans.

Journal reference: Science (DOI: 101126/science.1172257)

[Avante]

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Excerpt from the article, Daisy linked to on the "First people" thread.

"When we use labels like ‘black' or ‘African', they are gross approximations," agrees Charles Rotimi of the National Human Genome Research Institute in Bethesda, Maryland, who studies the influence of culture, lifestyle and genetics on patterns of obesity, hypertension and diabetes in African Americans.

Journal reference: Science (DOI: 101126/science.1172257)

Well when a country like Nigeria can produce a handful of sub10.00 sprinters and countries like Russia,China,Germany,Poland,Japan,Italy,Hungary,De nmark,Sweden,Ireland and Greece can't come up with one combined........hmmm? Then we head into Canada, France, Great Britian and the USA and find all their sub10.00 sprinters are Afro-ites....hmmmmmm?

You kinda come away with the impression that it really doersn't matter what social, cultural or enviornmental situation it will be Afro-ites ruling the speed world....huh?

[Conor Dary]

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While it has been a good lesson from some people, this thread has definitely reached its dumbest level.

[Avante]

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While it has been a good lesson from some people, this thread has definitely reached its dumbest level.

I couldn't agree more. When people ignore the facts, it's not good.

[Conor Dary]

Re: WRs by age and ethnic background

While it has been a good lesson from some people, this thread has definitely reached its dumbest level.

I couldn't agree more. When people ignore the facts, it's not good.

Oh, there have been plenty of facts. Some, from Daisy and Pego very interesting.

And others, that are the equivalent of yes, red is a color, or yes, most people in this country speak English.

[TrackDaddy]

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Might I suggest adding this book to your reading list?

Just ignore the word "Black" in the title.

Must be a typo.

[Conor Dary]

Re: WRs by age and ethnic background

Might I suggest adding this book to your reading list?

Just ignore the word "Black" in the title.

Must be a typo.

We have heard this tune before. It made no sense then and makes no sense now.

[kuha]

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So, after all this huffing and puffing, you've "proven" what we all knew all along: the sprinters who have dominated on a global basis for a couple generations now are very predominantly of West African descent. This is an absolutely unremarkable statement and utterly common knowledge. It all begins to get SLIGHTLY more interesting, I suspect, if one then begins to focus rigorously on differences within that West African gene pool--to see how far and wide these outliers may be produced. But I know you're not going to bother to do this.

What a waste of brain cells and electrons.

May I repeat myself? This idea that any of us are "denying" anything factual is too stupid to comment on (again).

[TrackDaddy]

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Now that we've concluded our study of sprinters and their west African origin....

Please research the genetic origins of the majority of dominant athletes in the:
NFL
NBA
Distance Running (let me help, Kenya ) Wait that isn't sprinting and Kenya isnt in western Africa so therefore any alleged athletic prowess cannot be associated with their skin color. There must be some mistake. :?

How about the...
Long Jump
Triple Jump
Hurdles
Soccer

And on yeah...please tell us why although a small percentage (less than 10?) of MLB players have EVER been black Americans (theoretically due to disinterest), so many occupy such a high percentage of the record holders in the varying categories. Would you like me to provide those numbers for you?

Or why the black (sorry, but thats what people call them) or dark skinned latin players are proportionately so good? Is it because of their west African connection too? How many generations after leaving west Africa does the dark skinned person retain their super human abilities? I mean you'd think that the lighter skinned Mexican latinos would occupy those positions in MLB given that in many instances they are geographically closer and so substantial in number...no?

Is it true that practically the only sports that blacks uh my bad, I mean dark people don't proportionately dominate is those related to cold weather, water, or those in which access or interest is meted?

You know denial is more than a river. Its a mindset.

[Daisy]

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You know denial is more than a river. Its a mindset.

You just don't understand the points that others are tying to make. But that's understandable, comprehension in a message board setting can be difficult.

[Pego]

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Or why the black (sorry, but thats what people call them) or dark skinned latin players are proportionately so good? Is it because of their west African connection too? How many generations after leaving west Africa does the dark skinned person retain their super human abilities? I mean you'd think that the lighter skinned Mexican latinos would occupy those positions in MLB given that in many instances they are geographically closer and so substantial in number...no?

This one is easy. Some Latino countries play baseball, some others not much, they play soccer. Some, like Venezuala, play both pretty well. Mexico is a soccer playing country, baseball is a minor sport. I do not find that "dark-skinned" Latinos would be more prevalent than "lighter-skinned". Then again, I don't study hues of skin. BTW, populations of Latin nations must be among the toughest to racially classify. There are so many variations among the native populations (for example differences between the Caribs, Mayas or south pampas' populations), in addition to variable immigrant Europeans and Africans that have mixed a lot. Prevalence of Latin players of baseball appear to be quite similar to the prevalence of the Orientals in ping-pong, or the Baltics in javelin.

As far as the rest of your last post, for the umpteenth time, nobody denies genetic advantage of west African population for speed, or east African for endurance running. These population groups also share a gene for more intense skin pigmantation. The question is, if those genes are related/dependant, as you and Avante seem to indicate. I don't know, if they are. They may be, but I doubt it and I'll tell you why. Let's look closely at the east Africans that share a gene for endurance running. It is obvious that Kenyans or Ugandas look different than the Ethiopians. Their skin color is also clearly different. There is no doubt that those are not a homologous population.

Yes, the best sprinters are black. Yes the best endurance runners are black. For you and Avante, it is enough, case closed. Some of us tend to look beyond the obvious. It was suggested that it is semantics we debate. I disagree, it is the degree of inquiry into a very interesting question.

[Avante]

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You know denial is more than a river. Its a mindset.

You just don't understand the points that others are tying to make. But that's understandable, comprehension in a message board setting can be difficult.

He's telling you like it really is. If you honestly believe there aren't "huge" differences in us earthlings, you aren't paying attention. I'm 6-2, now that's not really tall unless I'm walking the streets of Hong Kong or Toyko, which I have in my Navy days. I rarely came in contact with anyone taller than myself "over there". Have you ever been to Nigeria or Mexico, how about Samoa and the Phillipines? Are you trying to say you didn't notice a huge difference in the people? Why even try to play that? Hell how obvious can something be? I notice my..."ever notice the size with speed we see in black athletes?"...keeps being ignored. Why is that? Tell me Daisy how come we only see that combo (in abundance so save...Riggins was big and fast) in black athletes? Please don't tell me anything about social, culture or enviornment...ok? No matter where they live or what social, cultural background, there it is. I'm going to tell you Daisy, it's in their physical make up, characteristics.. unique.. to the race. Things only found in "abundance" in the Negroid race. In every living things we see this. Varieties inside a species. In humans we call it a race. Animals a breed. Sure a Collie and a Chow are both dogs. Yet they are totally different. See where I'm going there? So when it comes to humans we are the exception? You have any idea how many different kinds of trees, plants, grass there is? Name one thing where we don't see that? Yes Daisy we do have unique characteristics in humans that give us....race.

Work with me here...

The Martians have landed and want to talk to the leaders from all the nations on earth. So there they are, the Asians, the Middle Easterners, the Africans, the Europeans, the Americans, Mexico etc etc. So after a speech designed to assure peace between the worlds, the Martian spokes..ah..person? says....if all the races on earth can get along..........now there's you raising your hand...

Martian...you in back, yes?
Daisy...sorry sir but there is only one race, the human race
Martian...you gotta be kidding me. Don't tell me that tall gentleman (pointing towards the rep from Nigeria) is the same race as him (pointing towards the rep from the Phillipines)....on Mars we accept our differences young lady.
Daisy...(thinking...I should have listened to Avante and Trackdaddy).... ops:

[no one]

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zzzzzzzzzzzzzz ... nuthin new here folks ... move along