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  • EastBayprepoftheweek67
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    we're playing flip-flop here: in the '65 220 final it
    >was Plummer then Hines. The next year it was Hines/Plummer. As noted, Hines
    >went on to greater fame in the 100m in Mexico City in '68, whereas Plummer's
    >moment of glory had been back in 1963 in the 440 with his 44.9y.

    Steve has it right for 1965 AAU 220. Plummer, then known, 1st, followed by Jimmy Hines, Tom Randolph, and John Carlos, all in 20.7, and referred to as "unknowns."

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  • hj197steve
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    >2nd(to Hines,same time,20.5)in that'66AAU 220 was what WRecordholder in
    >different event?

    we're playing flip-flop here: in the '65 220 final it was Plummer then Hines. The next year it was Hines/Plummer. As noted, Hines went on to greater fame in the 100m in Mexico City in '68, whereas Plummer's moment of glory had been back in 1963 in the 440 with his 44.9y.

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  • bf
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    2nd(to Hines,same time,20.5)in that'66AAU 220 was what WRecordholder in different event?

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  • hj197steve
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    the guy who finished 2nd in that race went on to do reasonably well in the 100 @ Mexico City.

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  • EastBayprepoftheweek67
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    Before 1967, for whom did he compete? What did he accomplish
    >in the way of marks/rankings before moving to Texas?

    The first sign of Carlos I can find is in 1965, where while running for the NYPC (New York Pioneer[?] Club), Carlos took fourth in the US Nationals (AAU) 220 in 20.7. He was ranked by T&FN as 9th best American that year in the 200/220.

    The only sighting I have for him in 1966 is the AAU again, still with the NYPC. There, he ran a season best of 20.9 for 220 yds but did not advance out of the heats. Then, he went to college at age 22 in 1967.

    Carlos, of course, went on to earn four # 1 World Rankings from TF&N: '69 & '70 in both the 100m and 200m.

    In the 1965 AAU 220yd race, Carlos was referred to as one three “unknowns” who ran 20.7. One of the other "unknowns" went on to even greater athletic reknown than Carlos. Who was he?

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  • satch400
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    When he first gained fame he was working as an intern at LENNOX HILL hospital in NYC.

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  • kuha
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    The idea of Carlos "allowing" Smith to win is just about as believable as Ken Wood running a 3:59 mile in practice in March 1954...that is, not even remotely believable.

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  • Orange
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    tandfman is correct on the High School. That's some memory! John's biography didn't mention any of the sprint times he recorded back then. It didn't sound like much of a track program & he probably only ran hard enough to win & impress the women. Impressing the girls was important back in High School as I recall. John always regarded himself as quite the ladies man.

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  • tandfman
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    >>What high school, if any, did he compete for and what were his marks then?<


    I believe Carlos competed for Manhattan Vocational HS in New York City. I don't remember his marks.

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  • EastBayprepoftheweek67
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    >East Texas State University - Age 22

    Orange got it.

    Carlos began his university career at the late age of 22 in 1967 in Texas. What was his breakout mark that year?

    Before 1967, for whom did he compete? What did he accomplish in the way of marks/rankings before moving to Texas?

    Bonus: What high school, if any, did he compete for and what were his marks then? (I don't know the answers here.)

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  • bf
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    The Mexico City final was everything an Olympic final should be - Smith apparently overcoming a thigh(hamstring?) problem to set WR, an out-of-nowhere(pre-Games) silver medalist, and bad last-60m luck for 'the favorite'? Auto-timing WRs weren't in effect then, but Carlos would have had one in the semis - 20.12. Not near 19.83(or his brush-spike 19.92), but deserving of retroactive 'unofficial WR' status.

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  • Orange
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    Pego is correct. John lost so much momentum & form
    in the last 60 meters or so after Tommie blew by him that he was passed by Peter (Stormin) Norman
    of Australia for the silver. He rationalized that by claiming that "any white guy that could run 20.0 in the 200 deserves the silver medal"
    Norman's 20.06A performance still ranks #1 as an Oceania Continental best after all these years.
    And he beat John Carlos in his prime.

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  • hijumpsteve
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    saying it a bit more plainly, Carlos' comments provide a strong indication that he is full of a foul-smelling substance.

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  • 79.
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    As the French T&F historian Robert PARIENTE
    wrote in his book "La Fabuleuse Histoire de l'
    Athlétisme"...
    (to be clear.)

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  • Pego
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    <but "allowed" Tommie Smith to pass him for the Gold Medal & would settle for the silver>

    He didn't settle for the silver either. Norman passed him too. Carlos settled for the bronze.

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