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    Has anyone ever heard of the old-time professional athlete, Richard Perry Williams.

    In the book "The Super Athletes"published in the 1960's by David Willoughby,between 1904-1910 Williams ran 100 yards in 9 flat(on three separate occasions) and 100 meters in 9 4/5 sec.

    Willoughby states,"if rated according to the normal trend of the 100 yard sprint record with the date of performance, it would seem that William's time in 1906 of 9 seconds flat was equilalent to a time in 1965 of only 8.55 seconds.Since no present-day sprinter has remotely approached that figure,it would appear R.P. Williams was indeed the fastest sprinter of all-time.He also stated the AAU has declined to give any consideration to William's records simply because he was a professional.

    R.P.Williams began his coaching career in 1899 at Tufts College,Mass.A year later he was tested by the famous anthropometrist,DR. Dudley Allen Sargent,at Havard University.Jim Thorpe said "Williams is the fastest sprinter who ever lived."

    Here is a summary of his athletic and gymnastic accomplishments:
    100 Yard dash 9.0 (three times);100 Meter dash 9 4/5;mile run 4 min 25 sec;running broad jump 26 ft. 01/2in;vertical jump 34.9 in;running high kick 10 ft 3in;standing jump off one foot 9 ft. 6 in.;shot put(16 lbs) 47 ft 9 in.;(12 lbs) 57 ft 3 in;circling bases(baseball) 12 seconds flat; chinning the bar , 48 times;dipping on paralle bars 55 times;







    R.P. Williams was in more than one book;

    In Roberto L. Quercetani's very comprehensive book "Athletics: A History
    of Modern Track and Field Athletics (1860-2000)," p. 43, he writes:

    "In America wide publicity was given to some incredible times credited
    to a 'pro' by the name of R.P. Williams, who between 1904 and 1906
    collected four 9 1/5 marks over 100 yards, and even a 9 flat, apparently
    recorde by three timers at Winthrop, MA., in 1906. Williams was also
    credited with 47 2/5 in the quarter-mile on a course with four curves,
    hence over two laps! If there was a 'trick' of some sort ... we
    obviously cannot say what it was, but these exploits certainly sound
    somewhat 'fishy.'"

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    Yeah, and Crispus Attucks ran a straight 220 in 18.8 over Boston's cobblestone streets while fleeing the British redcoats in the 1770s.

    Subsequently, it was learned Crispus had worn Puma brush spikes, so the record was tossed out.

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    • #3
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      If I can get my strip back in syndication, this guy is a candidate, along with the American Indian who ran a "sub four minute mile" in the 1800's, with little training.

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      • #4
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        I recall reading Willoughby's book years ago and wondering if R.P.Williams was a reality. There are obvious issues of how times and distances were measured and what conditions existed during the performances. Still, who is to say that some super athlete could not have approximated such performances a hundred years ago? Since so few people actually participated in track and field events at the time, what do we really know about the physical capabilities of those folks? Of course, if the reports are even close to being true, Williams would have been a genetic freak. Willoughby's book was chock full of other unbelievable feats and was fun reading. Was it in that book that a 17 year old George Washington was credited with a 23 foot plus long jump at some fair in Virginia? Probably bunk, but fun to ponder, eh?

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        • #5
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          If he really was timed at 9.0/100y, being
          handtimed with a 1/5 watch could translate to a 9.5 auto-time which makes it more believable.

          Just because someone was ahead of their time doesn't mean its not true.Some of Bob Hayes feats
          haven't been duplicated and that was 40 years ago.The 10.06/100m on a chewed up cinder lane at sea level,his 9.91w/100m on a cinder track at sea level is pretty amazing and his last leg of the 4x1 timed at 8.5 is still the fastest time on record.Whose to say Williams didn't run those times,he was just 80 years ahead on his time.Top Sprinters in Jim Thorpe era was running 9 3/5/100y and Thorpe said "Williams was the fastest sprinter who ever lived" so I assume he was quite a bit faster than the 9 3/5.Its anybodys guess if Williams was 3/5 faster than the top sprinters of Thorpe's era.

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          • #6
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            Several historians that I have spoken with have all said that Richard P Williams was a fraud. Some times are with running starts and some have been flat out wrong.

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            • #7
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              >Several historians that I have spoken with have
              >all said that Richard P Williams was a fraud.
              >Some times are with running starts and some have
              >been flat out wrong.

              I would be interested to know the historians names and the proof of fraud.He maybe is a fraud butnothing I've seen in print suggest that.

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                Here's what a friend of mine, Ed Sears, a notable track writer, wrote about Williams:
                "I wrote to Tufts (University) and they sent me an article Williams wrote for the school newspaper detailing his amateur career. He claimed to have run some fast times in the sprints both in the US and England. I was able to find only one of his races in the contemporary newspapers and in the actual reporting indicated that he had claimed the winner's time and neglected to mention that he had a 5-yard start in his own account. Lovesey was not able to find any of hus claimed performances in the British papers. I talked to Bill Mallon about him and he was not able to come up with anything either. Charley Paddock in his biography mentions Williams, but just says he was not highly regarded in his time although he claimed several records. Based on all this I believe Williams faked his records."

                If Ed Sears and all those notable historians couldn't find any supportive evidence about Williams, then I must agree.

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                  >Here's what a friend of mine, Ed Sears, a notable
                  >track writer, wrote about Williams:
                  "I wrote to
                  >Tufts (University) and they sent me an article
                  >Williams wrote for the school newspaper detailing
                  >his amateur career. He claimed to have run some
                  >fast times in the sprints both in the US and
                  >England. I was able to find only one of his races
                  >in the contemporary newspapers and in the actual
                  >reporting indicated that he had claimed the
                  >winner's time and neglected to mention that he
                  >had a 5-yard start in his own account. Lovesey
                  >was not able to find any of hus claimed
                  >performances in the British papers. I talked to
                  >Bill Mallon about him and he was not able to come
                  >up with anything either. Charley Paddock in his
                  >biography mentions Williams, but just says he was
                  >not highly regarded in his time although he
                  >claimed several records. Based on all this I
                  >believe Williams faked his records."

                  If Ed
                  >Sears and all those notable historians couldn't
                  >find any supportive evidence about Williams, then
                  >I must agree.

                  I have a few questions;Does Sears make any reference to Williams in his book"Running Through the Ages?" How did you hear about Williams, the only references I've seen were in "The Super Athletes" and "Athletics-A History of Modern T&F Athletics"?Is the biography about Charley Paddock you were refering too" How to Sprint",
                  if so, I have that book and would like to know what are the page numbers he refers to Williams?

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                  • #10
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                    Another issue is the fact that pros did not necissarily compete under the same rules as amateurs. A pro sprint might require that only the athlete's feet to be behind the starting line, according to RLQ.

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                    • #11
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                      Those times which have been stated for R.P Williams are absolutley ridiculous.
                      If his 9 seconds flat for 100yards equates to a 8.55s in 1965 and using the same conversion for his reported 100m time of 9.8s we get a 1965 time of 9.35s, where cinder tracks were still present then according to my calulations which I used for Bob Hayes(Cinder to Tartan/Aspahlt and the sientific progression amongst other progressions from 1964-2003)R.P Williams sould be running 100yards and 100m times of 8.25s and 9.05s!!!
                      How About NO!!!

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                      • #12
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                        >Those times which have been stated for R.P
                        >Williams are absolutley ridiculous.
                        If his 9
                        >seconds flat for 100yards equates to a 8.55s in
                        >1965 and using the same conversion for his
                        >reported 100m time of 9.8s we get a 1965 time of
                        >9.35s, where cinder tracks were still present
                        >then according to my calulations which I used for
                        >Bob Hayes(Cinder to Tartan/Aspahlt and the
                        >sientific progression amongst other progressions
                        >from 1964-2003)R.P Williams sould be running
                        >100yards and 100m times of 8.25s and
                        >9.05s!!!
                        How About NO!!!


                        I didn't say I beleived it, but its been in several books I've read.Like I said in a earlier post,a 9.0/100y, handtimed ,1/5 stopwatch could translate into a 9.5.I think a 9.5 is possible.

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                        • #13
                          R.P. Williams-The real deal !

                          Not only was R.P. Williams not a fraud, he was one of the most fascinating atheletes of ALL TIme. I know this because he was my Great-Grandfather! I entered his name in Google the other day and was saddened by what I saw here. He was an amazing person. I am 37 so what I know is from what my Grandmother who passed away in '06 had told me about her father. For a time , I had in my possesion all of his record books which recorded all of his record-breaking feats. At one time, Jim Thorpe was quoted as saying that R.P. Williams was "the fastest man who ever lived"! R.P. Williams was involved in alot of youth sports activities and was an avid fan of excercising to build ones' body up using techniques that nobody was using or had thought of using back then which much of his routine is now taught at fitness facilities all over the world today! He was also one of the first if not the first Ripley's Believe it or Not cartoons! A statue of his likeness was on display in the lobby/entrance to the Ripley's museum in St.Augustine, Fla. showing his "running High Kick" which was a record in the Ripley's book. Sadly, the statue was destroyed by a fire in the '90s at the museum. He was shunned by other amature atheletes/runners because they claimed that he took money to run in certain events which made him a pro athelete (which there were none at the time) and somehow his records did not count. The governing body of running at the time smeared him and refused to acknowledge him because of this. But this is not true. He was awarded silver 'cups' inscribed with his name and time for competing in various events and this is were the confusion lies. He and his wife travelled across the country and the world to races where people would agree to race him and this is where the confusion arose about the accuracy of him times being that many of these races were not santioned by the same body that did not like him. He beat everybody who he competed against so basically he has to go out and find people with the guts to race him outside of the governing body.
                          He is also the all-time World Handball champion having won over 4300 matches with no loses! I have a copy of a late '90s Handball magazine with the article verifying this.
                          I hope that I can help to clear up any misconceptions about my great-grandfather and would try and answer any questions that any of you may have about him or his accomplishments. He lived in my grandparents house for many years in the twilight of his life so my father knows alot about him and his feats. My cousin also has alot of his journals, photos and other relics about R.P. Williams.

                          Thanks you for your time,

                          Aaron B. Smith
                          Great-Grandson of Richard Perry Williams - Greatest Athelete of His Time!

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