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  • Peak Career vs. Total Career

    Just to get this started . . .

    Americans

    100m
    Best Peak Career --- Hayes
    Best Total Career --- Lewis

    200m
    Peak --- Tommie Smith & MJ
    Total --- MJ

    400m
    Peak --- MJ & Quincy Watts
    Total --- MJ

    800m
    Peak --- Woodruff
    Total --- Gray

    1500m/mile
    Peak --- Ryun
    Total --- Scott

  • #2
    Re: Peak Career vs. Total Career

    Hey, do you take Woodruff's peak career over Whitfield's?

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    • #3
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      Yes, I've long admired Steve Scott--his durability and willingness to race anyone and anywhere.For a guy lacking blazing kick speed, he sure ran fast from mile thru 3000m. And what is his total?...128 sub 4 (including 1500m equivalents) clockings. Saddest event in his career--running well below par in front of his "home town" crowd in the 1500 final @ the '84 Oly in L.A. (Scott being from near by Upland).

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      • #4
        Re: Peak Career vs. Total Career

        800m
        Peak
        >--- Woodruff
        Total --- Gray

        Mal Whitfield won two Oly golds, ranked #1 five times, and earned one more ranking point than Johnny Gray. I go with Whitfield in a heartbeat.

        1500m/mile
        Peak
        >--- Ryun
        Total --- Scott

        I think Glenn Cunningham accomplished a whole lot more in his career than Steve Scott did. Like be a factor at a major international championship.

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        • #5
          Re: Peak Career vs. Total Career

          >Hey, do you take Woodruff's peak career over
          >Whitfield's?

          Woodruff never set an official WR, and neither did Whitfield. Whitfield never came close, but . . .

          At the Pan-American Exposition in Dallas ('38 or '39, I forget), Woodruff was matched up against WR holder Elroy Robinson. Woodruff won easily and broke Robinson's WR in 1:47.8, if memory serves me.

          A few days later it was announced that the record would not be submitted for ratification. Even though the head engineer at SMU had certified the track to 1/1000th of an inch beforehand, upon remeasurement it was found to be six feet short. In "Tales of Gold", Woodruff says he was convinced he got railroaded because he was a black northerner, Robinson was a white southerner, and the race was in Dallas in the 30's. ATFS carries the mark on their historical lists as a pro-rated 1:48.0, still better than Robinson's WR.

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          • #6
            Re: Peak Career vs. Total Career

            A matchup with Rudolf Harbig might have pulled Woodruff under 1:47 during 1940. I have no problem picking Woodruff over Whitfield in peak skills.

            As for career, Gray over Whitfield is arguable. Those citing Whitfield's two golds have as good an argument as any.

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            • #7
              Re: Peak Career vs. Total Career

              Gray vs. Whitfield is a no-brainer. Whitfield, clearly.

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              • #8
                Re: Peak Career vs. Total Career

                I'll take the ball and run.

                5k
                Peak -- Bob Schul
                Career -- Steve Prefontaine

                10k
                Peak -- Billy Mills
                Career -- Yikes! Shorter? Nenow? We ain't had much.

                Marathon
                Peak -- Kannouchi
                Career -- Probably Shorter over Rodgers

                110 Hurdles
                Peak -- Renaldo Nehemiah
                Career -- Greg Foster

                400 Hurdles
                Peak -- Hard to choose between Moses and Young
                Career -- Moses

                Arguments?

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                • #9
                  Re: Peak Career vs. Total Career

                  It's got to be Moses for the "Peak " as well. His problem ? Too many peaks ! Young only had one, a really, a one-race one ! ( But 46.78 is a high peak. )

                  Moses had great peaks in 1976 and then then several more after that. He's # 1 across the board, both Peak and career.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Peak Career vs. Total Career

                    Yeah, I'll go with that. Moses' final WR was 47.03 (set at low altitude) when the low-altitude WR for flat 400 was 44.26 (Juantorena '76), a difference of 2.77 seconds. Young would have had to run 46.06 to accomplish a similar feat!

                    In 20 years only Young has beaten Moses' best time, and then just once. Has the top of the all-time performances list changed as little in any other event?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Peak Career vs. Total Career

                      More . . .

                      HJ
                      Peak -- Corny Johnson? Not sure (although I want to pull for Mel Walker since he was from my hometown)
                      Career -- Dwight Stones

                      PV
                      Peak and Career -- Corny Warmerdam

                      LJ
                      Peak -- Bon Beamon (1968 AOY, only LJ-only athlete ever)
                      Career -- Carl Lewis

                      TJ
                      Peak -- Willie Banks
                      Career -- Mike Conley

                      SP
                      Peak and Career -- Parry O'Brien

                      DT
                      Peak -- Someone else like to pick somebody?
                      Career -- Al Oerter

                      HT
                      Peak and Career -- John Flanagan

                      JT
                      I don't even know.

                      Decathlon
                      Peak -- not sure
                      Career -- Bob Mathias

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                      • #12
                        Re: Peak Career vs. Total Career

                        How about for the DT

                        PEAK-Mac Wilkins

                        Sure, people have thrown farther since, but who was the last thrower to set 4 WR's in one season ....and 3 in one meet !?! And if that's not enough, he was OG champ as well.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Peak Career vs. Total Career

                          Great. Anyone care to argue with my hammer choice? I hoped it would be controversial!

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                          • #14
                            Re: Peak Career vs. Total Career

                            OK.....I'll bite.....I suppose the obvious choice here would be Yuriy Syedikh (not too sure on the spelling).....multiple WR's (like in the '80 games in Moscow on his first throw), OG gold ,ranked in 17 or 18 seasons, a big-meet performer if there ever was one.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Peak Career vs. Total Career

                              Well, the original post said "Americans", and that's what I was going for. Overall, I wouldn't disagree with Syedikh -- heck, he was an AOY, and hammer guys never get any respect.

                              I figured others might think Hal Connolly was the best American ever.

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