Olympic 400 meter relay team

[gtsoucal]

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Let me clear a bit of this up. jerry (or Gerry) Krumeich was a sprinter at Bergan Catholic High School (class of 1962 I believe). The other great sprinter in the area was Sam Perry of Passaic High School. Sam went on tho stardom and won some big 60 yard dashes at the garden for Fordham. Not sure about Krumeich re college. In any event, in June of their senior high school year, the two met in the New Jersey State AAU meet in Clifton with Krumeich running a 9.55 100 yard dash, just nipping Perry. As for the Ashworth connection, you may be thinking of a quarter miler from New Jersey at the same time named Steve Ashurst. Ashurst went to U Kansas, as did the pre-eminent NJ quarter miler, Dwight Peck, from Pascak Valley.

[gtsoucal]

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Well, I have some egg on my face. Jerry Krumeich did go to Essex Catholic. The rest is true. I just talked to him on the phone.

[hj197steve]

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and still no one has said where Gerry Ashworth went to prep school in New Hampshire ! n

[Dwight Peck]

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Hi. Jerry Krumeich was at Essex Catholic, went to Villanova, and is now at [email protected]. Steve Ashurst went to Our Lady of the Valley in Orange, N.J., went to University of Kansas, and is now at [email protected]. Best regards.

[jlightnin]

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Someone may have mentioned it in another post earlier, but I can't find it, anyway I'm curious to know how Forrest Beatty fared in the 64' Olymppic Trials.

[dukehjsteve]

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>Someone may have mentioned it in another post earlier, but I can't find it,
>anyway I'm curious to know how Forrest Beatty fared in the 64' Olymppic Trials.

At the semi final Oly trials in NY, he made the final, then finished 8th ( last) in 46.8. Since he was not in the top 6, he did not get to run in the FOT in LA.

[dukehjsteve]

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>and still no one has said where Gerry Ashworth went to prep school in New
>Hampshire ! n

So I am asking again 9 months later. n

[jlightnin]

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At the semi final Oly trials in NY, he made the final, then finished 8th ( last) in 46.8. Since he was not in the top 6, he did not get to run in the FOT in LA.

Thanks for the info. Why were the semis of the Olympic Trials 400 in New York and the finals in LA in 64'?

[dj]

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Thanks for the info. Why were the semis of the Olympic Trials 400 in
>New York and the finals in LA in 64'?

It wasn't specifically the semis and final of a single event, it was a set of semi-final meets and a final meet. This concept existed from 1920 through 1968, with varying numbers of semi-final meets in the different years.

[no one]

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often wondered why Forrest Beatty moved to 400 when he had run so fast in 220 (straight)- Jr year I think. I know he certainly made his presence known in 4 but did something happen with the 2?

[dukehjsteve]

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>often wondered why Forrest Beatty moved to 400 when he had run so fast in 220
>(straight)- Jr year I think. I know he certainly made his presence known in 4
>but did something happen with the 2?

Not knocking anyone that ran as fast as he did in HS in the 220, but some of those straightaway 220 times had the potential to be suspect sometimes, via wind and/or timers missing the smoke. I'm guessing that he discovered he was not fast enough for the 220 so he moved up.... which it seems we all are always begging sprionters to do anyway !

[dukehjsteve]

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>Thanks for the info. Why were the semis of the Olympic Trials 400 in
>New
>York and the finals in LA in 64'?

It wasn't specifically the semis and final
>of a single event, it was a set of semi-final meets and a final meet. This
>concept existed from 1920 through 1968, with varying numbers of semi-final
>meets in the different years.

dj, you are the expert to end all experts, truly, but I have no recollection/knowledge of any semi final- type meets in 48, 52, 56, or 60.

As to 64, the actual deal was that all NY SFOT winners were guaranteed a spot, regardless of the finish in the FOT, unless they showed total unfitness. And only the top 6 in the SFOT got to run in the FOT, with the top 2 in the FOT other than the NY winner then being on the team. An exception was made for Bob Hayes. He was injured and could not run in the SFOT. He got a Pass" to the FOT.

[dj]

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Dukehj is right about '48-60 in that the semis I'm referring (NCAA and AAU all four years, and All-Serice in '52-60) to were actually preliminary meets which qualified one to the FOT. (Statistician's shorthand for the meets has generally been that the round of meets preceding the FOT has been designated SFOT.) Dukehj is also right about the nature of the '64 and '68 SFOT, in that the winners were "guaranteed" spots on the team. But tell that to Dave Patrick, who won the '68 SFOT in Los Angeles, only to lose his spot when the athletes voted in Echo Summit to ignore the LA placings.

edit: This is another great reason to get Richard Hymans's book, "The History of the U.S. Olympic Trials - Track & Field 1908-2000" from USAT&F.
I'm afraid I tried to qualify my response enough without adding all the little variations. I also sould have added that I was writing specifically about the men's meets, as that's what the original question pertained to.

In any case, here's what I have about the selection procedures, starting in 1920 when the 4-entries per event rule was effected for the Olympics.

1920: 4 regional semis, plus All-Service
1924: 4 regional semis
1928: 14 preliminary meets; no semi-final
1932: 18 prelim meets; 4 regional semis, plus NCAA and IC4A
1936: unknown prelims; 3 regional semis, plus NCAA
1948: no prelims; NCAA and AAU served as the two semis
1952: no prelims; NCAA, AAU and All-Service served as the three semis
1956: same as '52
1960: same as '52
1964: prelims were NCAA, AAU and All-Service; one semi
1968: same as '64
1972: performance qualifier to single FOT (no prelims of SFOT), which has been used at all OTs since.

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good stuff dj, thanks.

[KDFINE]

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Jim Stevenson won the javelin at the '64 semi final's, and was the only one of the winners not to go to the Olympics. Few probably remember that Henry Carr won the 200 in N.Y. but was only 4th at L.A. in the "final" Olympic trials. Bob Hayes finished ahead of him in L.A. but chose (did he actually choose?) just to run the 100 in Tokyo. Jay Luck was the biggest question mark for L.A. He won the 400IH on the Randall's Island track in 49.4 and then came down with mono, but still proved his fitness in L.A. with (I think) a 3rd place. He finished 5th in Tokyo. If he hadn't caught mono I think he would have given Cawley a run for the gold.