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  • Rob
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  • tandfman
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    Oops! You're right. Sorry. Munich is a little over 500 and the Helsinki stadium, of course, can't be much above sea level, and I had the venue of Kratoch's records switched in my mind.

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  • mike renfro
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    To T&FMan,
    I think you are confusion Jarmila's 800 (Munchen which is probably about 500m) with her 400, which was at Helsinki, and I would guarantee that the Oly Stadium is not 500m. I would be suprised if it were 100 meters. Unless, of course, the Baltic is above sea level.

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  • RJMB_1
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    Wonder if that thing disappears when they stop running. Could it be from the action of the musculature of the neck when running.
    Or maybe women in training gain a more muscular neck which emphasises their apples. Or maybe both. Regardless Krabbe was one of the best looking women sprinters I have seen, maybe a different story now!?

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  • Rog
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    Mark,

    Thank you for replying, I welcome your insight into top flight athletics as a former Olympian and international athlete. I would however like to go back to a point that I aired a while back in another thread, and which I repeat below. Incidentally, can I assure everyone I'm not out to sling mud, I honestly just want clarification on this issue:

    "For what little it's worth, I have long assumed that one telltale sign of drug use in the female athlete is the appearance of a masculine-looking voicebox, the side-effect of the consumption of male hormones. Most top women athletes of the eighties exhibited such a characteristic - it is no less common today. Indeed it's rare that a top woman athlete doesn't look like this.

    The question I have is this - I'm no medical expert, am I wrong to make the above assumption? It's just that I don't know any women with voiceboxes like that in my personal life, or indeed in any other sphere (short of The Jerry Springer Show), yet they're such a common feature in sport."

    I have posted below links to pictures of Kathrin Krabbe, who of course infamously failed a drug test, and also Kathy Cook. To my way of thinking they share the same characteristic around the throat - anyone have any knowledge about this subject? Is there any other way it can be caused, because I have just spent the weekend with a woman whom I can assure you would require psychiatric care if her neck started to appear like that! Indeed, if it were common I suspect plastic surgeons would be making steady money correcting it!

    Rog

    Krabbe:

    http://www.sporting-heroes.net/athletic ... eroID=2682

    http://www.sporting-heroes.net/athletic ... eroID=2683

    Cook:

    http://www.sporting-heroes.net/athletic ... eroID=1495

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  • tafnut
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    "Maybe, 47 something?"

    ah yes, but then, of course, she would have been accused of cheating. Smart move on her part to stay only 'reasonably' good. :-)

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  • FrankS
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    So Kathy Cook never put in the training! This is amazing because if she could run under 50secs without proper training, what could she have achieved with a dedicated hard systematic approach? Maybe, 47 something?

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  • Jefferson Buffalo
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    Mark, is it true that you're now trying to get them to change the name of school to Brumel University? :-)

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  • Conor Dary
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    Ah, a fellow student. I did a BSc there (Pure Physics) - graduated 1983

    Small world, Rob. My office was in the Education Building overlooking the statue of D.H. Lawrence.
    Great campus, especially the Faculty Club where I drank many a pint. Did you get down to the Trip to Jerusalem? My favorite pub.

    By the way, Mark, isn't Brunel University in Bristol? I've been there many times. They also had one of the best clubs in the country once, Bristol A.C., which still holds the record for the 12 stage relay.

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  • Rob
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  • marknhj
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    Borough Road College, although it's gone through several name changes since then. Now Brunel University. Some of my best memories were BRC vs. Loughborough, we beat them everytime I was there. Met an old team mate two weeks ago at Mt. Sac who I hadn't seen since 1984 (saw him on letsrun)and chatted about our 1983 meet. We won by one point, ended up in a huge drinking session in their bar with them chanting, "Loughborough rejects, Loughborough rejects" at us! My team got badly pissed (as in drunk, you americans) and did a fair amount of damage. Ended up with me standing on a table having a heading-a-pint competition against Seb Coe who was there at the time. BRC were banned from their campus and have never been back.

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  • basehead617
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    sorry to start up yet another steroid use thread, i just thought you might all be interested in seeing a video of koch's performance since track clips are pretty hard to find online.. especially older ones (if anybody knows a good central resource, let me know)

    two things..

    1) its true that much of the east german athletics machine was trained by doctors and coaches who gave them steroids, especially the swimmers.. but what proof can anybody here point to that Koch inparticular was juiced? wasnt her husband her coach, rather than one of the well known juicer doctor-coaches who trained some of her contemporaries? i have actually seen her left out of suspicious lists of similar-era GDR athletes. references, people?

    2) i'll probably start a huge thread about this elsewhere, but here's a question for debate: why is it any less fair for someone to gain an edge with synthetic substances to aid training, than it is for someone to be born faster, stronger, or with more stamina? it would seem steroids for some would actually even the field, in an ideal circumstance. it seems the most impressive performances would be those that can be measured against a calculated range of performances based on each individual's genetic limitations. that's not as sexy as 'world's fastest man' but why are 'natural' advantages 'fair' while synthetic ones are not? after all we ingest lots of synthetic substances in our regular diets anyway.
    what about engineered protein?

    maybe we'll get a bit of a discussion going here, maybe i'll just start a new thread, we shall see.

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  • Conor Dary
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    'I went to the same school as Kathy'

    Mark, what school was that? I am curious, as I did a doctorate at the University of Nottingham (or at least almost done.)

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  • marknhj
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    "What makes you so sure that Kathy was clean?"

    Rog,

    I went to the same school as Kathy and was on the GB team with her. She was kind of old school in her approach. Didn't care very much about training (especially for the 400m), doubt if she trained more than 4 days a week, certainly never with double sessions. Doubt she'd recognise a steroid if it flew up her ***! It was pretty much out in the open back then and I hope you'll trust me when I say I would have known if she was a druggie. She was a sweetheart and 100% clean. Wonder if any of her and Gary's kids are in T&F? They have great genes.

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  • EtalainenR
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    But how do you know that the BBC announcers were clean??

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