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  • eldrick
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    >I did say per head of the population! Kenya would need well over 100 four
    >minute milers to match Ireland - which they probably have, as it happens!

    seeing as Kenyans don't run the mile very often(they are primarily 800, 1500, 3kSC 5k & 10k guys & tend to run those races or the intermediate distance of 3k for the longer guys), the actual no. of Kenyan current 4 min. milers will be small

    however 4 m mile is not quick for these guys & if you worked out what level of performance in their speciality distance these guys would have to run in order to be potential 4m milers (i.e. what 800m time an 800m specialist needs to be able to run in order to prove he has required speed/stamina for a 4min mile or what a 10k guy needs to run 10k in order to prove he has required stamina/speed for a 4 min mile, it wouldn't be very high.

    so if you added up all the potential 4 min milers amongst the massed ranks of Kenyan 800, 1500, 3kSC, 5k & 10K ( & not of course forgetting the road-runners/Marathoners !), i'm sure you will have well over a 100 guys

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  • FrankS
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    I did say per head of the population! Kenya would need well over 100 four minute milers to match Ireland - which they probably have, as it happens!

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  • eldrick
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    >By 1995, there were over 30 Irish 4 minute milers!


    i would dread to even think about how many Kenyan ones there would have been !

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  • Per Andersen
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    Not to mention his bronze medal from the Rome 1500 at 3.39.2 which I believe was a personal best.

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  • hj197steve
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    actually Roszagolgyi ran some great indoor miles at MSG in 1959 or 1960, chasing Delany.

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  • Pego
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    I responded to FrankS' statement "post-Bannister era runners" which would indeed be mid-to-late fifties. Yes, it would be mostly the Iglói's stable.

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  • highjumpsteve
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    I'm not an expert on Hungarian distance runners, but their golden days were up though the mid to late 50's, then Igloi came to the US. Tabori came with him. But Iharos and Roszavolgyi, etc. were pretty much done.

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  • FrankS
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    By 1995, there were over 30 Irish 4 minute milers!

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  • Pego
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    <Ireland have produced more talented milers - per head of the population - during the post-Bannister period than probably any other country.>

    More than Hungary?

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  • rhymans
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    while the converse of Carl Lewis is probably Fernando Mamede (10k WR but a jelly in championships)

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  • FrankS
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    Tens of thousands of more words have been written about Landy than Delaney. I hope John gets a big kick out of of all the interviews and attention he has received over the years since the events of 1954. No, winning an Olympic title is great, but, for it not to be considered a "fluke", there must be other great performances to back it up. Apart from his Olympic win Delaney was invovled to other great races. Second to Ibbotson in his mile record, third in the 1958 European 1500ms, and of course third behind Herb Elliott in his mile record run. But maybe Delany's greatest legacy is the way he inspired a host of young Irish middle-distance runners. As Bob Phillips points out in his great book "3.59.4 -The Quest for the 4 Minute Mile ", Ireland have produced more talented milers - per head of the population - during the post-Bannister period than probably any other country.

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  • tandfman
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    Probably. I don't think Vasala's career was as good as Delany's.

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  • Per Andersen
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    >I wonder if Landy feels the same way.

    You don't think so? Well how about Ruyn's over Vasala's then. Now, do we agree?

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  • tandfman
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    >I would rather have John Landy's career than Delaney's.<

    I wonder if Landy feels the same way.

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  • bf
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    The alltime "no WR but everything else" champ must be Carl Lewis /LJ. And 200.

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