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  • HL
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    So the Americans should accept the silver medals, then the Soviets should return the gold medals to the Americans and then receive their silver medals from the Americans. Right :-))

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  • MJD
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    >The sort of gesture is not without

    >precedent.

    I even can get this back on to a track thread.
    Officials make ruling, beneficiary of said ruling doesn't like result, medal gets given away.

    "According to Coolsaet, Blouin initially rejected the idea of accepting the medal even though he protested the decision made by the Canada Games officials as too strict.

    "I didn't talk to him in person but I heard he had said I should keep it, it was mine. But I couldn't do that.""

    http://www.uoguelph.ca/athletics/Varsit ... olsaet.htm

    Note that by making this suggestion, I am not commenting at all on the behaviour of the US team.

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  • Rob
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  • einnod23
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    OK, the debate is getting good. Let me point some things out.

    1) I'm American, and as I said before, I do believe that USA 72 should accept the silvers and move on. I know that many on this board don't like me saying this, but....

    2) There is no evidence that any member of USA Basketball '72 is in any financial difficulty. And from my understanding, NONE of the members are anywhere near changing their positions.

    3) For those of you who think that the American stand is not a case of sore losing, I ask these questions: a) What if this was Barcelona 92 (long shot, of course) and the $5 million/year Dream Team was robbed under the same circumstances? Would their NBA/high salary status not change your postition? b) What if all 12 members of USA '72 were clones of Rasheed Wallace (or whose antics were similar)?????

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  • MJD
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    Give me strength - do you wonder why Americans like you are so
    >despised in the world, when you make such crass and selfish
    >remarks?

    Very wise move editing that out particularly on this week-end when they are dedicating the WWII memorial
    recognizing the 16000000 american veterans who fought in the war, without whom many of the non americans
    who frequent this board would be posting in German. But I guess what have they done for you
    lately, eh(your first clue that I'm not a yank)?


    Magnanimous? You wouldn't begin to understand the meaning of the
    >word. "Charity begins at home..."

    First of all, I'm not american and you would know that if you were paying any attention at all. I have no dog in this
    fight. Go ahead and attack the idea but don't base it on anti-american biases. The sort of gesture is not without
    precedent. Not to mention that such a gesture would just emphasize your particular point.

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  • Rob
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  • MJD
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    ...ok nothing like a run to shake out the cobwebs. Here is how you turn a sow's purse into a silk ear and maybe this has already been mentioned in the article referred to or on whatever board the basketball freaks hang out on. What a magnanimous gesture it would be if a couple of the USSR players were to turn over their golds to the athletes with the financial hardships.

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  • MJD
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    Taking a stand can sometimes have consequences. If the stand was right at the time, it still is unless there is some new information(there isn't). The fact that some of the players' personal circumstances may have changed is an external issue and shouldn't change their position if it was a principled one. They didn't win the silver. Any reasonable person would conclude that they actually won the gold. I completely agree with the holdouts. Help the players with financial issues out in some other way. Strikes me that letting them have the medal just so they can flip it for some sort of pecuniary gain is kind of against the spirit of "not looking like sore losers" anyway.

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  • Track fan
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    Yes I think financial hardship would be the main reason. Because if they truly cared for the medal they would have accepted it back in '72. What I don't understand is the guys who may force a former friend/teammate into bankruptcy over this, to me it's too petty........

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  • Randy
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    This brings up an interesting question:
    Did any members of the '72 U.S. Olympic basketball team return to play on the '76 U.S. Olympic basketball team?

    Since professional players were not allowed to be on the American team until the late '80's (unlike the eastern bloc countries which were really all professionals for decades), it may be that all the '72 U.S. players went ahead and "turned pro" before '76 rolled around, and there was no going back under the standards of that day.

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  • Randy
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    Official results (the scoreboard) and awards (medals & trophies) are two different things. There are all kinds of cases where people leave early before a track meet ends and don't claim their award, or just don't care to pick it up from the awards table. Some people compete just for the sake of competing, and really don't want any awards. That doesn't change the official results.
    What if Jim Ryun never picked up his award at the meet in '67 when he ran his 3:51.1 world record? If ten years went by would you wipe him off the official results and give the 1st place award to whoever finished second, also wiping out Ryun's world record?
    I think not.

    As much as we may detest the basketball result in '72, whether the U.S. team accepted the silver medals or not has nothing to do with changing the competition results.

    As for the IOC only awarding team medals to a "team", what if all agree but one person doesn't want to participate? I can't imagine the IOC holding the medals back in a case like that. I doubt they have a hard & fast rule, but probably if 50% of the players decided to accept it, the IOC would go ahead and release the medals to those players. Just a guess.
    As for a player leaving it in his will that no beneficiary could accept the medal on his behalf, I kind of doubt the IOC would recognize it. Once a player is deceased his "vote" on the matter of a team medal is probably permanently set aside.

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  • einnod23
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    I'm gonna make some folks even madder with this proposal:

    That there be a 10-year statute of limitations if one declines a medal. If that were in effect then, the US would be DQ'd. Cuba would move up to silver and Italy would get bronze.

    Once again, while I would agree that the Americans were robbed, the stance they took raises an issue of sportmanship (or lack of). In addition, keeping your family out of the fruits of your Olympic experience (Kenny Davis's will) makes it worse. Peace.

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  • buckeye II
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    Sports Illutrated quoted the IOC as saying it was a 'team' award and medals would only be distributed as a team. I also read the same in the Charlotte Observer where two of the guys live. Financial hardship is the reason quoted in that article for the reason some have rethought their position, but there is absolutely no chance that some will give an inch. I will do an SI archives seacrch and if I come up with anything, I will post the link.

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  • Rob
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  • Track fan
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    I wonder if a few of the players who are waffling want to sell that medal and reap the financial reward for selling a unique piece of sports history. I wouldn't begrudge them that if they had any financial hardships.

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