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  • Rupp's & other HS sub-14:00 5000s compared

    Some questions about comparing Galen Rupp's recent sub-14:00 5000 with other US HS sub-14:00 performances.

    I know that Rupp's 13:55.3 last month ranks him 4th on the all-time US HS 5000 list, among the total of 6 sub-14:00 HS 5000s:
    1. G Lindgren 13:44.0 (1964)
    2. D Ritzenhein 13:44.7 (2001)
    3. S Prefontaine 13:52.8 (1969)
    4. G Rupp 13:55.3 (2004)
    5. John Zishka 13:55.6 (1980)
    6. C Virgin 13:58.2 (1973)

    And I (now) know from reading the lists on this site that these must have been mixed (ie, not HS-only) events, because TFN reports the fastest HS-only 5000 as being 14:26.

    I am impressed that Rupp won his race (and am speculating that he could have gone faster had he been chasing someone a bit faster).

    Here are the comparison questions I hope someone can help with: How did the other 5 sub-14:00 HS guys place in their respective races when they ran their sub-14:00 time? Were other runners of note in those races? Was anyone on this msg board at any of those races? (I grew up in Ohio not far from where Zishka ran -- Lancaster -- but I can't recall anything about that performance.) Any help or reminiscences are greatly appreciated.

  • #2
    Re: Rupp's & other HS sub-14:00 5000s compared

    Lindgren was 4th in the June 5, 1964 Compton Invitational won by Bob Schul (ring a bell?) in 13:38.0

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    • #3
      Re: Rupp's & other HS sub-14:00 5000s compared

      >Lindgren was 4th in the June 5, 1964 Compton Invitational won by Bob Schul
      >(ring a bell?) in 13:38.0

      tafnut, and wasn't that 13:38 also a NR ?

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      • #4
        Re: Rupp's & other HS sub-14:00 5000s compared

        right on, my man.

        broke Brice Kidd's 13:43.8 (so GL was just .2 off the previous AR!)

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        • #5
          Re: Rupp's & other HS sub-14:00 5000s compared

          whoa, tafnut, Kidd was a Canuck...

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          • #6
            Re: Rupp's & other HS sub-14:00 5000s compared

            oops - what tafnut MEANT to say was Jim Beatty's 13:45.0 - which makes GL's time even more impressive.

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            • #7
              Re: Rupp's & other HS sub-14:00 5000s compared

              I found some information on Pre's 13:52 -- not sure if it's accurate, but it was listed as being run in Stuttgart July 31, 1969, w/ Pre finishing 3rd. Anyone have anything else on this one?

              Also, thanks for the contributions on the race in which Lindgren ran his 13:44. Another thing that makes Lindgren's run impressive is, at that time, the WR was 13:35 (Kuts).

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              • #8
                Re: Rupp's & other HS sub-14:00 5000s compared

                To Master Po: Zishka's 13:55 was at the '80 junior nationals in Knoxville. He led from the gun hitting two miles (possibly 3200m) near 9:03 and finished the final 1600 just under 4:20. He was alone by 2800 meters. I believe Dwight Stevens (VA) picked off Brian Diemer (UM frosh) for runner-up around 14:15. Zishka went on to World juniors in Canada losing to a Mexican by the name Arturio Barrios in a slow strategic surge-filled race.

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                • #9
                  Re: Rupp's & other HS sub-14:00 5000s compared

                  All-time U.S. Boys high school 5000 list

                  13:44.0 Gerry Lindgren, Compton (CA) 4th
                  13:44.70 Dathan Ritzenhein, USATF 11th (U of Oregon)
                  ----13:51.69 Dathan Ritzenhein, Penn Relays 2nd
                  13:52.8 Steve Prefontaine, US vs. Europe 3rd (Stuttgart, W. Germany)
                  13:55.32 Galen Rupp, Stanford Cardinal Inv Section B 1st
                  13:55.65 John Zishka, US Junior Nationals 1st (U of Tenn)
                  13:58.2 Craig Virgin, US vs. USSR Juniors dual meet 1st (Odessa, USSR)
                  ----13:58.6 Gerry Lindgren

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                  • #10
                    Re: Rupp's & other HS sub-14:00 5000s compared

                    Thanks to all who contributed to answering these questions!

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                    • #11
                      Re: Rupp's & other HS sub-14:00 5000s compared

                      >Lindgren was 4th in the June 5, 1964 Compton Invitational won by Bob Schul
                      >(ring a bell?) in 13:38.0

                      If I remember correctly, I believe Lindgren went through 2 miles in 8:44 in this race, which would be the HS 2 mile record until Pre broke Rick Riley's mark in 1969. (His 8:44 may have been in the Jamaica race where he ran 13:52--I'll check my "Jack's Track Book" from 1976 which has many of the old Washington State all time marks.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Rupp's & other HS sub-14:00 5000s compared

                        lindgren's outdoor hs 2 mile best was 8;53 enroute (official time recorded). it was broken by rick riley, 8;48, then pre 8;41.6, virgin 8;40.9 and nelson 8;36.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Rupp's & other HS sub-14:00 5000s compared

                          Believe that Pre's 13:52 was behind Harald Norpoth in US-WG dual meet.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Rupp's & other HS sub-14:00 5000s compared

                            Rupp is scheduled to run the 3000m tonight at the Kajaks International Track Classic in BC, Canada.

                            They have several sub-8:00 talents in the field, hould be a good test for him.

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