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  • #16
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    The final event of the first day, the 10 000 meters:

    Africa: Haile Gebreselassie
    Americas: Arturo Barrios
    Asia: Toshihiko Seko
    Europe: Emil Zatopek
    Pacific: Ron Clarke
    UK: Brendan Foster
    USA: Billy Mills
    USSR: Vladimir Kuts

    And the results:
    1) Zatopek
    2) Gebreselassie
    3) Clarke (outkicked again!)
    4) Kuts
    5) Mills
    6) Barrios
    7) Foster
    8) Seko

    Before anyone gets on me about Zatopek vs Gebreselassie, let me say that Zatopek simply stomped his competition. In his four major championship wins (2 OG, 2 EC) his average margin of victory was 40 seconds, each time defeating the year's #2 ranked 10k man.

    Team scores at the conclusion of the first day:
    59 Europe
    59 USA
    51 USSR
    38 Americas
    37 Africa
    33 Pacific
    29 UK
    19 Asia

    It's going to be a barn-burner!

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    • #17
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      Mr.Squire: this is reallllly a great thread. One of the best the board has seen yet. But..... (other shoe dropping).... could you please make each event a different thread? There was a very instructive discourse about the pole vault going on and then it's interrupted by a bunch of other events. Just a thought.

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      • #18
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        Will do so tommorrow! Thanks for your input.

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        • #19
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          I like the thread myself..would you take Matete over Akii-Bua?

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          • #20
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            Coe in 4th place...I can't see it

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            • #21
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              >Coe in 4th place...I can't see it<

              Let me help you see it. 1980 Olympic 800 - Coe 2nd, 1982 European Championships 800 - Coe 2nd, 1984 Olympic 800 - Coe 2nd. To be sure, Kipketer has lost a few big ones. However, he not only broke Coe's record but also won three world championships (plus one indoors), a much better success record in major competition than Coe's. It goes without saying that double Olympic gold medalists Snell and Whitfield outrank Coe, who too often came up short when it counted the most.

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              • #22
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                Bear with me Squire,I cant't resist adding a few lines about Charles Hoff since I grew up in that country.
                He was without a doubt one of the greatest athletic talents in the world in those days. Since he could not compete in the vault in Paris in '24 due to injury he ran the 800 and finished 8th in the final.
                He was also quite a showman and once vaulted 13'2 wearing tailcoat.
                In 1931 he even talked Figure Skating great Sonja Henie into coming out for track. Hoff coached her and she ran some good junior 100m on Bislett during that summer.
                Meanwhile I can't wait for tomorrows competition.
                Does Brumel realize that guys are flopping now?

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                • #23
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                  >I like the thread myself..would you take Matete
                  >over Akii-Bua?

                  Um, last night I suddenly realized that I'd completely forgotten about Akii-Bua. Which of the two you pick depends on how much empahsis you put on consistency. Akii-Bua ran a stunning WR in 1972 but never got reasonably close to it again. Both athletes ranked #1 in the world twice, while Matete took the runner-up spot four times to Akii-Bua's one. Matete's record in big championship meets isn't stunning (one gold and two silver) but Akii-Bua only won the '72 OG.

                  It boils down to this: Akii-Bua wouldn't come to mind as Africa's greatest 400 hurdler if not for a single race. Is that race enough? I don't know how to answer that.

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                  • #24
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                    >Charles Hoff was without a doubt one of the
                    >greatest athletic talents in the world in those
                    >days.

                    In 1923 he made the world's top 20 list in the 400, 800, pole vault, long jump, and triple jump (and the top 40 list in the 100 meters).

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                    • #25
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                      from Clay Parker: Coe in 4th place...I can't see it

                      He's right! I can't see Coe finishing 4th, either. The British selectors would go for a proven competitor, not a fast time-trialer. They'd select Doug Lowe (OG gold '24 & '28), or even Tommy Hampson (OG '32 gold and WR, CG '30 champ).

                      Coe was a pussycat when it came to major 800m competiitons. Meow!

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                      • #26
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                        >from Clay Parker: Coe in 4th place...I can't see
                        >it

                        He's right! I can't see Coe finishing 4th,
                        >either. The British selectors would go for a
                        >proven competitor, not a fast time-trialer.
                        >They'd select Doug Lowe (OG gold '24 & '28), or
                        >even Tommy Hampson (OG '32 gold and WR, CG '30
                        >champ).

                        Yep, I rate both Lowe's and Hampson's careers as better than Coe's. I figured that I'd be crucified for skipping over him, though, considering how much furor was raised by my attitude that Keino's OG gold and silver tops Ryun's OG silver.

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