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  • jsquire
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    >from Clay Parker: Coe in 4th place...I can't see
    >it

    He's right! I can't see Coe finishing 4th,
    >either. The British selectors would go for a
    >proven competitor, not a fast time-trialer.
    >They'd select Doug Lowe (OG gold '24 & '28), or
    >even Tommy Hampson (OG '32 gold and WR, CG '30
    >champ).

    Yep, I rate both Lowe's and Hampson's careers as better than Coe's. I figured that I'd be crucified for skipping over him, though, considering how much furor was raised by my attitude that Keino's OG gold and silver tops Ryun's OG silver.

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  • dj
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    from Clay Parker: Coe in 4th place...I can't see it

    He's right! I can't see Coe finishing 4th, either. The British selectors would go for a proven competitor, not a fast time-trialer. They'd select Doug Lowe (OG gold '24 & '28), or even Tommy Hampson (OG '32 gold and WR, CG '30 champ).

    Coe was a pussycat when it came to major 800m competiitons. Meow!

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  • jsquire
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    >Charles Hoff was without a doubt one of the
    >greatest athletic talents in the world in those
    >days.

    In 1923 he made the world's top 20 list in the 400, 800, pole vault, long jump, and triple jump (and the top 40 list in the 100 meters).

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  • jsquire
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    >I like the thread myself..would you take Matete
    >over Akii-Bua?

    Um, last night I suddenly realized that I'd completely forgotten about Akii-Bua. Which of the two you pick depends on how much empahsis you put on consistency. Akii-Bua ran a stunning WR in 1972 but never got reasonably close to it again. Both athletes ranked #1 in the world twice, while Matete took the runner-up spot four times to Akii-Bua's one. Matete's record in big championship meets isn't stunning (one gold and two silver) but Akii-Bua only won the '72 OG.

    It boils down to this: Akii-Bua wouldn't come to mind as Africa's greatest 400 hurdler if not for a single race. Is that race enough? I don't know how to answer that.

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  • Per Andersen
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    Bear with me Squire,I cant't resist adding a few lines about Charles Hoff since I grew up in that country.
    He was without a doubt one of the greatest athletic talents in the world in those days. Since he could not compete in the vault in Paris in '24 due to injury he ran the 800 and finished 8th in the final.
    He was also quite a showman and once vaulted 13'2 wearing tailcoat.
    In 1931 he even talked Figure Skating great Sonja Henie into coming out for track. Hoff coached her and she ran some good junior 100m on Bislett during that summer.
    Meanwhile I can't wait for tomorrows competition.
    Does Brumel realize that guys are flopping now?

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  • tandfman
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    >Coe in 4th place...I can't see it<

    Let me help you see it. 1980 Olympic 800 - Coe 2nd, 1982 European Championships 800 - Coe 2nd, 1984 Olympic 800 - Coe 2nd. To be sure, Kipketer has lost a few big ones. However, he not only broke Coe's record but also won three world championships (plus one indoors), a much better success record in major competition than Coe's. It goes without saying that double Olympic gold medalists Snell and Whitfield outrank Coe, who too often came up short when it counted the most.

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    Coe in 4th place...I can't see it

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    I like the thread myself..would you take Matete over Akii-Bua?

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  • jsquire
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    Will do so tommorrow! Thanks for your input.

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    Mr.Squire: this is reallllly a great thread. One of the best the board has seen yet. But..... (other shoe dropping).... could you please make each event a different thread? There was a very instructive discourse about the pole vault going on and then it's interrupted by a bunch of other events. Just a thought.

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  • jsquire
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    The final event of the first day, the 10 000 meters:

    Africa: Haile Gebreselassie
    Americas: Arturo Barrios
    Asia: Toshihiko Seko
    Europe: Emil Zatopek
    Pacific: Ron Clarke
    UK: Brendan Foster
    USA: Billy Mills
    USSR: Vladimir Kuts

    And the results:
    1) Zatopek
    2) Gebreselassie
    3) Clarke (outkicked again!)
    4) Kuts
    5) Mills
    6) Barrios
    7) Foster
    8) Seko

    Before anyone gets on me about Zatopek vs Gebreselassie, let me say that Zatopek simply stomped his competition. In his four major championship wins (2 OG, 2 EC) his average margin of victory was 40 seconds, each time defeating the year's #2 ranked 10k man.

    Team scores at the conclusion of the first day:
    59 Europe
    59 USA
    51 USSR
    38 Americas
    37 Africa
    33 Pacific
    29 UK
    19 Asia

    It's going to be a barn-burner!

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  • jsquire
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    Now the first sprint of the meet, the 200 meters.

    Africa: Frankie Fredericks
    Americas: Don Quarrie
    Asia: Koji Ito
    Europe: Pietro Mannea
    Pacific: James Carlton
    UK: Emmanuel McDonald Bailey
    USA: Michael Johnson
    USSR: Valeriy Borzov

    The results:
    1) Johnson
    2) Fredericks
    3) Quarrie, nearly in a dead heat with
    4) Mennea
    5) Borzov
    6) Carlton
    7) Bailey
    8) Ito

    Team scoring through 8 events:
    55 USA
    51 Europe
    46 USSR
    35 Americas
    30 Africa
    27 Pacific
    27 UK
    18 Asia

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  • jsquire
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    As we put the hurdles on the track, our competitors:

    Africa: Samuel Matete
    Americas: Felix Sanchez
    Asia: Duncan White
    Europe: Harald Schmid
    Pacific: John Holland
    UK: Lord David Burghley
    USA: Edwin Moses
    USSR: Yuriy Lituyev

    The results:
    1) Moses
    2) Schmid
    3) Sanchez
    4) Lituyev
    5) Burghley
    6) Matete
    7) Holland
    8) White

    Team scoring through 7 events:
    47 USA
    46 Europe
    42 USSR
    29 Americas
    25 UK
    24 Pacific
    23 Africa
    17 Asia

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  • jsquire
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    Lining up for the 800 are:

    Africa: Mike Boit
    Americas: Joaqium Cruz
    Asia: Sri Nam Singh
    Europe: Wilson Kipketer
    Pacific: Peter Snell
    UK: Seb Coe
    USA: Mal Whitfield
    USSR: Yevgeniy Arzhanov

    And across the line they come:
    1) Snell
    2) Whitfield
    3) Kipketer
    4) Coe
    5) Cruz
    6) Arzhanov
    7) Boit
    8) Singh

    Team scoring through 6 events:
    39 USA
    39 Europe
    37 USSR
    23 Americas
    22 Pacific
    21 UK
    20 Africa
    16 Asia

    The Yanks take the lead from the Commies, but the European team is putting up a stiff fight.

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  • jsquire
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    Now the running events begin. Lining up for the steeplechase are:

    Africa: Moses Kiptanui
    Americas: Graeme Fell (terrible name for a steeplechaser)
    Asia: Takaharu Koyama
    Europe: Gaston Roelants
    Pacific: Kerry O'Brien
    UK: Chris Brasher
    USA: Henry Marsh
    USSR: Semyon Rzhishchin

    And the places:
    1) Kiptanui
    2) Roelants
    3) Marsh
    4) Rzhishchin
    5) O'Brien
    6) Brasher
    7) Fell
    8) Koyama

    Team scores through 5 events:
    34 USSR
    33 Europe
    32 USA
    19 Americas
    18 Africa
    16 UK
    15 Asia
    14 Pacific

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