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  • All-time World Cup day 2: Running Events

    The first running even of the final day is the 4x100 meter relay. The teams are:

    Africa: Frankie Fredericks, Olapide Adeniken, Chidi Imoh, Jean-Louise Ravelomanantsoa
    Americas: Silvio Leonard, Don Quarrie, Lloyd LaBeach, Donovan Bailey
    Asia: Takayoshi Yoshioka, Chen Chuachian, Hideo Ijima, Mitsuo Taniguchi
    Europe: Armin Hary, Eugen Ray, Herbert Houben, Helmuth Kornig
    Pacific: Hector Hogan, John Treloar, Fortunato Catalon, Patrick Johnson
    UK: Harold Abrahams, Allan Wells, Emmanuel McDonald Bailey, Linford Christie
    USA: Bobby Morrow, Carl Lewis, Jesse Owens, Bob Hayes
    USSR: Vladimir Sukharyev, Viktor Bryzgin, Aleksandr Kornelyuk, Valeriy Borzov

    The results:
    1) USA
    2) Americas
    3) UK
    4) Europe
    5) Africa
    6) USSR
    7) Pacific
    8) Asia

    Team scores through 14 events:
    94 USA
    89 Europe
    81 USSR
    65 Americas
    51 Africa
    49 UK
    44 Pacific
    32 Asia

  • #2
    Re: All-time World Cup day 2: Running Events

    Now the classic, the 1500 meters. Lining up on the backstretch are:

    Africa: Noureddine Morceli
    Americas: Kevin Sullivan
    Asia: Mohamed Suleiman
    Europe: Gunder Hagg
    Pacific: Herb Elliot
    UK: Walter George
    USA: Jim Ryun
    USSR: Nikolay Kirov

    It’s a photo-finish! (I mean, it’s really hard to pick.)

    1) Morceli
    2) Elliot
    3) Hagg
    4) George
    5) Ryun
    6) Suleiman
    7) Sullivan
    8) Kirov

    Team scores through 15 events:
    98 USA
    95 Europe
    82 USSR
    67 Americas
    59 Africa
    54 UK
    51 Pacific
    35 Asia

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    • #3
      Re: All-time World Cup day 2: Running Events

      Now we go to the 400 meters. Our competitors:

      Africa: Gabriel Tiacoh
      Americas: Alberto Juantorena
      Asia: Milka Singh
      Europe: Rudolph Harbig
      Pacific: Darren Clarke
      UK: Dave Jenkins
      USA: Michael Johnson
      USSR: Viktor Markin

      And the results:
      1) Johnson
      2) Juantorena
      3) Harbig
      4) Tiacoh
      5) Jenkins
      6) Markin
      7) Clark
      8) Singh

      Team scores through 16 events:
      106 USA
      101 Europe
      85 USSR
      74 Americas
      64 Africa
      59 UK
      53 Pacific
      36 Asia

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      • #4
        Re: All-time World Cup day 2: Running Events

        As the hurdles are put on the track, the athletes setting up their blocks are:
        Africa: Tom Lavery
        Americas: Earl Thomson
        Asia: Lin Tsui
        Europe: Guy Drut
        Pacific: Peter Gardner
        UK: Colin Jackson
        USA: Renaldo Nehemiah
        USSR: Anatoliy Mikhailov

        The results:
        1) Nehemiah
        2) Jackson
        3) Thomson
        4) Drut
        5) Lavery
        6) Mikhailov
        7) Gardner
        8) Tsui

        Team scores through 17 events:
        114 USA
        106 Europe
        88 USSR
        80 Americas
        68 Africa
        66 UK
        55 Pacific
        37 Asia

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        • #5
          Re: All-time World Cup day 2: Running Events

          Now the 100 meters. The world’s fastest men are:

          Africa: Frank Fredericks
          Americas: Donovan Bailey
          Asia: Takayoshi Yoshioka
          Europe: Herbert Houben
          Pacific: Hector Hogan
          UK: Linford Christie
          USA: Bob Hayes (Lewis didn’t want to triple today)
          USSR: Valeriy Borzov

          The results:
          1) Hayes
          2) Christie
          3) Bailey
          4) Borzov
          5) Fredericks
          6) Houben
          7) Yoshioka
          8) Hogan

          Team scores through 18 events:
          122 USA
          109 Europe
          93 USSR
          86 Americas
          73 UK
          72 Africa
          56 Pacific
          39 Asia

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          • #6
            Re: All-time World Cup day 2: Running Events

            The 5000 meters is the meet’s penultimate race. It’s second to last, too.

            Africa: Said Aouita
            Americas: Bruce Kidd (Barrios is tired from yesterday’s 10,000)
            Asia: Keisuke Sawake
            Europe: Paavo Nurmi
            Pacific: Murray Halberg
            UK: Gordon Pirie
            USA: Bob Schul
            USSR: Vladimir Kuts (I should have run Bolotnikov yesterday so Kuts didn’t have to double)

            The results:
            1) Aouita
            2) Nurmi
            3) Halberg
            4) Kuts
            5) Pirie
            6) Schul
            7) Kidd
            8) Sawake

            Team scores through 19 events:
            125 USA
            116 Europe
            98 USSR
            88 Americas
            80 Africa
            77 UK
            62 Pacific
            40 Asia

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            • #7
              Re: All-time World Cup day 2: Running Events

              As we enter the final event, the 4x400 meter relay, all team standings are set with one exception—the UK can catch Africa. Our teams:

              Africa: Gabriel Tiacoh, Innocent Egbunike, Charles Asati, Kasheef Hassan
              Americas: Herb McKenley, George Rhoden, Bert Cameron, Alberto Juantorena
              Asia: Mohamad Al Malky, Sugath Tillakaratne, Sosumo Takano, Milka Singh
              Europe: Mario Lanzi, Thomas Schonlebe, Harald Schmid, Rudolph Harbig
              Pacific: Kevan Gosper, Edwin Carr, Rick Mitchell, Darren Clark
              UK: Eric Liddell, Allen Woodring, Adrian Metcalfe, Dave Jenkins
              USA: Lon Myers, Lee Evans, Butch Reynolds, Michael Johnson
              USSR: Ardalion Ignatyev, Vadim Arkhipchuk, Nikolay Chernyetskiy, Viktor Markin

              The results:
              1) USA
              2) Americas
              3) UK
              4) Europe
              5) Africa
              6) USSR
              7) Asia
              8) Pacific

              Final team scores:
              133 USA
              121 Europe
              101 USSR
              95 Americas
              84 Africa
              83 UK
              63 Pacific
              42 Asia

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              • #8
                Re: All-time World Cup day 2: Running Events

                What happened to your picks for the 10k?

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                • #9
                  Re: All-time World Cup day 2: Running Events

                  >What happened to your picks for the 10k?<

                  There is no 10,000m in the IAAF World Cup.

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                  • #10
                    Re: All-time World Cup day 2: Running Events

                    >Europe: Mario Lanzi, Thomas Schonlebe, Harald Schmid, Rudolph Harbig<

                    Aw, c'mon. There was only one Mario Lanza.

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                    • #11
                      Re: All-time World Cup day 2: Running Events

                      My goodness... Walter George as the all-time UK pick? And George and Gunder Hagg beating Jim Ryun? Interesting.

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                      • #12
                        Re: All-time World Cup day 2: Running Events

                        >>What happened to your picks for the
                        >10k?<

                        There is no 10,000m in the IAAF World
                        >Cup.

                        There used to be, back in the 70s. See http://trackandfieldnews.com/tfn/discus ... thread=489

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                        • #13
                          Re: All-time World Cup day 2: Running Events

                          >My goodness... Walter George as the all-time UK
                          >pick? And George and Gunder Hagg beating Jim
                          >Ryun? Interesting.

                          Well, I picked George because I didn't want Coe to double-up. It may be a bit of a stretch, but Coe and George are certainly the best two milers the Brits have ever had.

                          As far as Hagg beating Ryun . . . Hagg in '41 and '42 was every bit as dominating as Ryun in '66 and '67. He was also probably the world's #1 miler in '44 and '45. Hagg's WRs are at least the equal of Ryun's in terms of number, length of time they stood, and improvement on the existing record. I said it was really hard to separate these milers, so I expect a lot of argument, but I didn't just rank them willy-nilly without looking at the facts.

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                          • #14
                            Re: All-time World Cup day 2: Running Events

                            While I do believe Ryun was as talented as today's best, and if trained as today's runners do, he would run as fast or faster than them, he didn't. So, I would put Morceli ahead of him with no problem at all. No contest. However, despite the dominance of Hagg at his time, and of George, it's almost ridiculous to consider them finishing as close as 50 meters behind Ryun, no matter how they trained. It looks like you are basing your picks on rankings over the years, and competitive records, etc. However, the "intangibles" do come into play. Yes, you said you'd catch some heat. How can Elliot be ahead of Ryun. He has his gold from Rome, but a very thin competitive record. His undefeated string is bandied about, but he ran very few races. He didn't reach his potential is the argument some put forth, but neither did Ryun, and one can point to Ryun's fast finishes in much faster races, as one can do in far greater fashion for Morceli. I guess I'm saying that while it's amusing, it's impossible to compare athletes from different eras, especially when you dig up Walter George from his grave to square off against Morceli, Sullivan, Ryun etc. How about someone trying to pick some races with all time greats racing each other, and trying to factor in the intangibles, like (perceived) potential, etc.? That might be good for even more arguments and laughs. However, it's hard to keep from chuckling, picturing Walter George lined up against some of these guys. I understand how you are doing this, but it shows how goofy things turn out. The gun would go off, and the poor man would wonder why the other runners are sprinting.

                            Sticking with the guys you have, I see a battle with Morceli and Ryun, with Elliot fighting Sullivan for third.

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                            • #15
                              Re: All-time World Cup day 2: Running Events

                              These are not idealized races or comparisons of talent (which is itself defies any real definition) but to compare accomplishments viewed in the context of their time. In the context of his time, Ryun had two tremendous seasons with several world records, and then he fell off the top. I'm not here to explain why, becuase it really doesn't matter -- he simply did.

                              George's professional world record was unbeaten for almost 30 years; he was a runner "ahead of his time". Elliot also had two tremendous seasons with several world records, but one of them happened to be set while winning an Olympic gold medal (which Ryun never did). Hagg had similar accomplishments, but never got the chance to succeed (or fail) at an Olympics.

                              In 1998, T&FN picked Elliot as the greatest miler of the magazine's first 50 years. I'm willing to accept that they might know a thing or two about track.

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