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    Where is DoubleRBar? Three Olympic gold medalists were born on this day - 1 October.

    Name them - some hints:

    1) Classical gas
    2) Gender identity
    3) World Champion x 4

  • #2
    Originally posted by bambam1729 View Post
    Where is DoubleRBar? Three Olympic gold medalists were born on this day - 1 October.

    Name them - some hints:

    1) Classical gas
    2) Gender identity
    3) World Champion x 4
    A guess for number 3 - Lars Riedel?

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    • #3
      3) Dwight Phillips (Long Jump/2004)

      2) Ewa Kłobukowska (4x100m/1964)

      1) Joseph Guillemot (5000m/1920)?
      Last edited by Rob; 10-02-2018, 12:34 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Rob View Post
        3) Dwight Phillips (Long Jump/2004)

        2) Ewa Kłobukowska (4x100m/1964)

        1) Joseph Guillemot (5000m/1920)?
        Wonderfully done, Rob. All three are correct. Guillemot - classical gas - injured by mustard gas in WW1. Klobukowska - gender identity - there were ?s about her gender after sex testing was instituted shortly after the 1964 Olympics. Phillips - of course, won 4 World Championship gold medals in the long jump - 2003, 2005, 2009, 2011

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        • #5
          The second clue was misleading, though. There was no doubt about Kłobukowska's gender identity - she clearly identified herself as female. It was her physical sex characteristics that were questionable.
          Było smaszno, a jaszmije smukwijne...

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Powell View Post
            The second clue was misleading, though. There was no doubt about Kłobukowska's gender identity - she clearly identified herself as female. It was her physical sex characteristics that were questionable.
            And yet she had a child.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Powell View Post
              The second clue was misleading, though. There was no doubt about Kłobukowska's gender identity - she clearly identified herself as female. It was her physical sex characteristics that were questionable.
              Supposedly she failed the Barr body exam that was used in that era to determine gender identity for athletes

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Trickstat View Post
                And yet she had a child.
                She certainly did not. I have no idea why this rumor keeps appearing in every thread on her.
                Było smaszno, a jaszmije smukwijne...

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by bambam1729 View Post
                  Supposedly she failed the Barr body exam that was used in that era to determine gender identity for athletes
                  It says here that she would have passed that test (emphasis added):

                  It seems likely that one of the best known female athletes to be excluded from international events on the grounds of ineligibility had XX/XXY mosaicism. She won gold and bronze medals at the Tokyo Olympics in 1964 and held the world record for the women's 100m. In 1966 she passed the inspection at the European Championships in Budapest but the following year in Kiev she was ruled ineligible for the European Cup women's track and field competition, having failed the eligibility test that involved a close-up inspection of the external genitalia. A six-man medical commission investigated her case, and chromosome analysis showed that she had an XXY sex chromosome complement8. It is understood that testes had been surgically removed at an earlier stage and that she was being treated with oestrogens. The irony is that had she been tested 1 year later at the Mexico Olympics she would have been eligible on the grounds that she was Barr body positive. Instead, she was disqualified from competing in women's athletics and in 1970 the International Amateur Athletic Federation removed her name from the record books.
                  Source: Gender verification in sport: the need for change?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Powell View Post
                    She certainly did not. I have no idea why this rumor keeps appearing in every thread on her.
                    Perhaps because the claim is included in a usually reliable reference:

                    After her forced retirement from sports, Kłobukowska married and gave birth to a son—so much for that gender test.
                    Source: Sports-Reference/Olympic Sports: Ewa Kłobukowska

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Davidokun View Post
                      Perhaps because the claim is included in a usually reliable reference:



                      Source: Sports-Reference/Olympic Sports: Ewa Kłobukowska
                      F**e news!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Trickstat View Post
                        F**e news!
                        We have that - is that incorrect? Please confirm so I can change it

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                        • #13
                          Definitely incorrect. She never married or had children, although there have been claims she was physically capable of giving birth.
                          Było smaszno, a jaszmije smukwijne...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Powell View Post
                            Definitely incorrect. She never married or had children, although there have been claims she was physically capable of giving birth.
                            Fixed this on Olympedia. Given that sports-reference/olympics is going away, I'm not certain that change will ever show up there. But soon to be superseded by the olympicchannel site that replaces SR/olympics

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by bambam1729 View Post
                              Fixed this on Olympedia. Given that sports-reference/olympics is going away, I'm not certain that change will ever show up there. But soon to be superseded by the olympicchannel site that replaces SR/olympics
                              Although not clear it is traceable to SR/Olympics as a source, the incorrect story of Klobukowska later giving birth dominates all internet links on the subject. Olymedia/olympicchannel is the right place to start, but it will take many years correct the knowledge base.

                              It might even be a Liberty Valance problem already.

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