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  • Greatest Athletes of the Century....your thoughts??

    Here is ESPN's Greatest Athletes of the Century. Track had 3 athletes in the Top 10 and 12 overall. Remember, this is exclusive to US & Canada so no Nurmis, Bubkas or Zatopeks. What do you think?

    1. Jordan
    2. Ruth
    3. Ali
    4. Brown
    5. Gretzky
    6. Owens (track)
    7. Thorpe (track and football)
    8. Mays
    9. Nicklaus
    10. Didrikson (track and golf)

    Others:
    12. Lewis
    23. Joyner-Kersee
    41. Rudolph
    57. Moses
    53. Rafer Johnson
    68. Oerter
    78. Mathias
    91. Beamon
    96. Michael Johnson

    Beamon over MJ?; Nicklaus over Lewis? No Way!!

    By Sport
    Baseball (23)
    Football (20)
    Track/Field (12)
    Basketball (11)
    Tennis (8)
    Boxing (7)
    Hockey (6)
    Golf (6)
    Horse Racing (5)
    Auto Racing (3)
    Swimming/Diving (2)
    Speed Skating (2)

    Not bad representation for track!(we can thank the Olympics for that). Any other opinions out there??

  • #2
    Re: Greatest Athletes of the Century....your thoughts??

    >Here is ESPN's Greatest Athletes of the Century.
    >Track had 3 athletes in the Top 10 and 12
    >overall. Remember, this is exclusive to US &
    >Canada so no Nurmis, Bubkas or Zatopeks. What do
    >you think?

    1. Jordan
    2. Ruth
    3. Ali
    4.
    >Brown
    5. Gretzky
    6. Owens (track)
    7. Thorpe
    >(track and football)
    8. Mays
    9. Nicklaus
    10.
    >Didrikson (track and golf)

    Others:
    12.
    >Lewis
    23. Joyner-Kersee
    41. Rudolph
    57.
    >Moses
    53. Rafer Johnson
    68. Oerter
    78.
    >Mathias
    91. Beamon
    96. Michael
    >Johnson

    Beamon over MJ?; Nicklaus over Lewis?
    >No Way!!

    By Sport
    Baseball (23)
    Football
    >(20)
    Track/Field (12)
    Basketball (11)
    Tennis
    >(8)
    Boxing (7)
    Hockey (6)
    Golf (6)
    Horse
    >Racing (5)
    Auto Racing (3)
    Swimming/Diving
    >(2)
    Speed Skating (2)

    Not bad representation
    >for track!(we can thank the Olympics for that).
    >Any other opinions out there??

    If it weren't for the Olympics, we'd probably never see a track athlete on any of these lists. Ignorance is why Beamon is over MJ. "... well, his record lasted so long," you can hear the reasoning echoing in their hollow skulls. I'm still amazed three track reps made it into the top slots. Ali is a myth though. Talk about fixed fights, and a sport that needed a saviour at the time ...

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    • #3
      Re: Greatest Athletes of the Century....your thoughts??

      Do you have any evidence of his fights being fixed?

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      • #4
        Re: Greatest Athletes of the Century....your thoughts??

        Besides actually watching most of his fights? Have you ever actually watched his fights with Liston? His fights against Ken Norton (1 loss, 2 decisions in Ali's favor when he was battered in all 3)? His getting hammered by Henry Cooper, so Angelo Dundee cut Ali's glove to stall for time, to let Ali's head clear. The same Dundee who ADMITS Ali was out on his feet, and would have been KO's if he hadn't found a way to stall. The same Dundee who admits he knew there were no extra gloves, and who also admits he told Ali to use the tear in the glove to cut Cooper, which Ali did, so the fight was stopped on cuts. The same Ali who got battered around by Ron Lyle, yet got the decision? The same Ali who got battered by Jimmy Young, and then ... you guessed it, got the decision? Ali came along when boxing was dying, he was a draw. He personally brought it back from the grave with his antics. Unfortunately, most of the public is as knowledgeable about boxing as they are about track. Watch some of the above mentioned fights on ESPN Classic. You'll wonder what all the excitement was about. Most underrated champ? Probably the hated Larry Holmes.

        Back to track, I'm still amazed there are as many track guys are on the list as there are.

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        • #5
          Re: Greatest Athletes of the Century....your thoughts??

          Fun, but pretty silly comparing sports.

          It seems to me that there are great athletes and, also, people with great skills. On the top 10 list it seems like 9 are great athletes WITH great skills. Nicklaus would be the exception. I'd say he is a very good (but not great) athlete with great skills. Any of the track people are better athletes, in my opinion. Only the Babe could have shot par, but they were all superior athletes.

          Also, I'd put Jackie J-K at least on a level with Babe D-Z, and Carl L and Rafer J on at least the same levels with Jim Thorpe and Jesse Owens. A lot of deserving track (and other sport) figures are obviously missing. My own prejudice is that Karch Kiraly, 3 time oly gold medalist volleyball player is one of those great athletes with great skills who ought to be on the list. In the mid-1980's Karch was on one of those lame TV SuperAthlete competitions and ran an 800 meters in v-ball shoes with no real competition and no idea what he was doing and ran well under 2:10. So far as I know, it is the only footrace he ever ran! I'm doubting Jack Nicklaus, despite all his unquestioned skills, could have done that.

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          • #6
            Re: Greatest Athletes of the Century....your thoughts??

            I couldn't agree more with Kiraly - without question, the greatest volleyball player of all-time!

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            • #7
              Re: Greatest Athletes of the Century....your thoughts??

              >Besides actually watching most of his fights?
              >Have you ever actually watched his fights with
              >Liston? His fights against Ken Norton (1 loss,
              >2 decisions in Ali's favor when he was battered
              >in all 3)? His getting hammered by Henry
              >Cooper, so Angelo Dundee cut Ali's glove to
              >stall for time, to let Ali's head clear. The
              >same Dundee who ADMITS Ali was out on his feet,
              >and would have been KO's if he hadn't found a
              >way to stall. The same Dundee who admits he
              >knew there were no extra gloves, and who also
              >admits he told Ali to use the tear in the glove
              >to cut Cooper, which Ali did, so the fight was
              >stopped on cuts. The same Ali who got battered
              >around by Ron Lyle, yet got the decision? The
              >same Ali who got battered by Jimmy Young, and
              >then ... you guessed it, got the decision? Ali
              >came along when boxing was dying, he was a draw.
              >He personally brought it back from the grave
              >e with his antics. Unfortunately, most of the
              >public is as knowledgeable about boxing as they
              >are about track. Watch some of the above
              >mentioned fights on ESPN Classic. You'll wonder
              >what all the excitement was about. Most
              >underrated champ? Probably the hated Larry
              >Holmes.

              What a Re-TaRd!!!!!!!

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              • #8
                Re: Greatest Athletes of the Century....your thoughts??

                >>Besides actually watching most of his
                >fights?
                >Have you ever actually watched his
                >fights with
                >Liston? His fights against Ken
                >Norton (1 loss,
                >2 decisions in Ali's favor when
                >he was battered
                >in all 3)? His getting
                >hammered by Henry
                >Cooper, so Angelo Dundee cut
                >Ali's glove to
                >stall for time, to let Ali's
                >head clear. The
                >same Dundee who ADMITS Ali was
                >out on his feet,
                >and would have been KO's if he
                >hadn't found a
                >way to stall. The same Dundee
                >who admits he
                >knew there were no extra gloves,
                >and who also
                >admits he told Ali to use the tear
                >in the glove
                >to cut Cooper, which Ali did, so
                >the fight was
                >stopped on cuts. The same Ali who
                >got battered
                >around by Ron Lyle, yet got the
                >decision? The
                >same Ali who got battered by
                >Jimmy Young, and
                >then ... you guessed it, got
                >the decision? Ali
                >came along when boxing was
                >dying, he was a draw.
                >He personally brought it
                >back from the grave
                >e with his antics.
                >Unfortunately, most of the
                >public is as
                >knowledgeable about boxing as they
                >are about
                >track. Watch some of the above
                >mentioned
                >fights on ESPN Classic. You'll wonder
                >what
                >all the excitement was about. Most
                >underrated
                >champ? Probably the hated Larry
                >Holmes.
                >

                What a Re-TaRd!!!!!!!

                I thought the guy made some good points. Only a PC retard would counter his examples with name calling and nothing else. Ali was a heavyweight that fought some tough fights against competition that isn't considered all that great by boxing historians, "biographical" movies and fawning ignorant or duplicitous press aside. The rumours of fixed fights have always been around, and even Dundee can't give a straight answer when questioned about the stories. Ali was a media creation.

                Greatest athletes of the century? We all know if life were fair, the list would be track and field athletes top to bottom. Ever see NBA guys try to do anything besides their own sports? The NBA players and boxers were the worst athletes of the bunch outside of their specialties.

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                • #9
                  Re: Greatest Athletes of the Century....your thoughts??

                  >>>Besides actually watching most of
                  >his
                  >fights?
                  >Have you ever actually watched
                  >his
                  >fights with
                  >Liston? His fights against
                  >Ken
                  >Norton (1 loss,
                  >2 decisions in Ali's
                  >favor when
                  >he was battered
                  >in all 3)? His
                  >getting
                  >hammered by Henry
                  >Cooper, so Angelo
                  >Dundee cut
                  >Ali's glove to
                  >stall for time, to
                  >let Ali's
                  >head clear. The
                  >same Dundee who
                  >ADMITS Ali was
                  >out on his feet,
                  >and would
                  >have been KO's if he
                  >hadn't found a
                  >way to
                  >stall. The same Dundee
                  >who admits he
                  >knew
                  >there were no extra gloves,
                  >and who
                  >also
                  >admits he told Ali to use the tear
                  >in
                  >the glove
                  >to cut Cooper, which Ali did,
                  >so
                  >the fight was
                  >stopped on cuts. The same
                  >Ali who
                  >got battered
                  >around by Ron Lyle, yet
                  >got the
                  >decision? The
                  >same Ali who got
                  >battered by
                  >Jimmy Young, and
                  >then ... you
                  >guessed it, got
                  >the decision? Ali
                  >came
                  >along when boxing was
                  >dying, he was a
                  >draw.
                  >He personally brought it
                  >back from the
                  >grave
                  >e with his antics.
                  >Unfortunately, most
                  >of the
                  >public is as
                  >knowledgeable about
                  >boxing as they
                  >are about
                  >track. Watch some
                  >of the above
                  >mentioned
                  >fights on ESPN
                  >Classic. You'll wonder
                  >what
                  >all the
                  >excitement was about. Most
                  >underrated
                  >champ?
                  >Probably the hated Larry
                  >Holmes.
                  >

                  What a
                  >Re-TaRd!!!!!!!

                  I thought the guy made some
                  >good points. Only a PC retard would counter his
                  >examples with name calling and nothing else. Ali
                  >was a heavyweight that fought some tough fights
                  >against competition that isn't considered all
                  >that great by boxing historians, "biographical"
                  >movies and fawning ignorant or duplicitous press
                  >aside. The rumours of fixed fights have always
                  >been around, and even Dundee can't give a
                  >straight answer when questioned about the
                  >stories. Ali was a media creation.



                  Why do I even bother?????Ali was a media creation,hmmmmmmm,tell that to Liston's & Frazier's swollen head.

                  Ali was the prefect fighting machine.He was tall,long arms,thick skin resistant to cuts,
                  very fast,had ther ability to move away from punches,plus an iron jaw when he did get hit.

                  The most over rated heavyweight was Rocky Maricano.He was 5 ft.10 in. 185 lb with paper thin skin and fought old washed up fighters that gave him tough fights.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Greatest Athletes of the Century....your thoughts??

                    Don't dog out the Rock. He had the heart of a champion - he beat several good fighters: Archie Moore, Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe Walcott (All the best of his time). He was the best conditioned fighter of all-time. He also had an excellent chin, a great KO punch and an incredible heart.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Greatest Athletes of the Century....your thoughts??

                      >Don't dog out the Rock. He had the heart of a
                      >champion - he beat several good fighters: Archie
                      >Moore, Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles and Jersey Joe
                      >Walcott (All the best of his time). He was the
                      >best conditioned fighter of all-time. He also had
                      >an excellent chin, a great KO punch and an
                      >incredible heart.

                      He did have heart...As far as the best conditoned,hogwash...The heavyweights of old could fight 50,60 even 100 rounds.I read J.J.Jeffries pre-fight training and was in awe.He did beat the fighters of his day...All old washed up hasbeens that took him to the limit and some were beefed up lightheavyweights.To say "The Rock"beat Lewis is like saying Larry Holmes and Trevor Berbick beat Ali.I think every fighter you named was forty when they fought "The Rock."

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                      • #12
                        Re: Greatest Athletes of the Century....your thoughts??

                        >>Don't dog out the Rock. He had the heart of
                        >a
                        >champion - he beat several good fighters:
                        >Archie
                        >Moore, Joe Louis, Ezzard Charles and
                        >Jersey Joe
                        >Walcott (All the best of his time).
                        >He was the
                        >best conditioned fighter of
                        >all-time. He also had
                        >an excellent chin, a
                        >great KO punch and an
                        >incredible heart.

                        "The Rock"never faced a liston,foreman or Tyson so the excellent chin is ?????able...He wasn't a one punch KO artist, his punches usually took its tool in the mid to late rounds.Do you really think "The Rock" at 5ft 10in,68 in.reach the shortest of any heavyweight champ, and 185 lbs could stand up to Liston at 6ft 2in 218lbs and 82in. a reach...or Foreman....Ali would cut him to ribbons before "The Rock" could land a punch.....Need I go on....Don't think SSSSooooooo!!!!!!!!!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Greatest Athletes of the Century....your thoughts??

                          Many of his best opponents were in their late 30's, yes but so are Lewis & Tyson. Holyfield was very good into his late 30's as well. You can't compare the Rock at 185 with Lewis at 260..times change. Just like you can't compare Dempsey or Louis with Tyson, Holyfield or Lewis. But Marciano beat all the best boxers of his era. Let me ask you this..what more could Rocky have done in his career??

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                          • #14
                            Re: Greatest Athletes of the Century....your thoughts??

                            Sorry, I must have wandered onto the wrong Board. Can someone please re-direct me from the boxing Board to the T&F Board.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Greatest Athletes of the Century....your thoughts??

                              I love boxing and T&F...can't wait until Saturday! Stanford meet then Lennox (hopefully) flattening Klichko (sp?). It's a shame it took beating Tyson for Lennox to gets the props he deserves in this country.

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