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  • How about fantasy 4x400?

    I was looking through the all time 4x4 list and i saw the second fastest team in history consisted of Andrew Valmon, Quincy Watts, Harry Reynolds, and Micheal Johnson. if andrew valmon ran faster than his 44.5 split, that would be the WR relay team, cause MJ, QW, and HR are the fastest 400 runners ever, and thier splits were very fast (MJ = 42.94) so that is a scary team. My pick for the fastest 4x4 team would have to be MJ, quincy, Harry, and antonio pettigrew (in his prime running his 43 splits.) that team would be untouchable. or instead of antonio maybe steve lewis?

  • #2
    Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

    Mmmmmmm?

    A team

    leadoff-Tommie Smith
    second-MJ
    third-Quincy Watts
    anchor-Butch Reynolds

    B team

    leadoff-Lee Evans
    second-Antonio Pettigrew
    third-John Smith
    anchor-Larry James

    C team

    leadoff-Andrew Valmon
    second-Steve Lewis
    third-Danny Everett
    anchor-Alvin Harrison

    D team

    leadoff-Larry Black
    second-Maurice Peoples
    third-Jerome Young
    anchor-Vince Matthews

    C team

    leadoff-Wayne Collett
    second-Derek Mills
    third-Calvin Harrison
    anchor-Tyree Washington

    D team

    leadoff-Ron Freeman
    second-Ronnie Ray
    third-Roy Martin
    anchor-Curtis Mills

    nuff!

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    • #3
      Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

      How about a team of Quincy Watts,Antonio Pettigrew,Butch Reynolds,and Michael Johnson.(44.0 or lower,43.1-43.2,43.1-43.3,and43.0-42.9)These splits woul be hard to beat. I think MJ could go faster than 42.8! He ran 42.93 at the end of rounds of the 400.Quincy could possibly go faster than 44.00 on the opening leg. Antonio ran 43.1 at the 1998 goodwill games and Butch could run in that area as well.

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      • #4
        Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

        Anyone who ever saw Lee Evans run at the peak of his careet, certainly 1968, would ever doubt putting him as anchor. Larry James was a huge talent and Evans refused to lose. It was never about time - always about winning.

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        • #5
          Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

          Oh cringe, not more talk of 60's has-beens....

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          • #6
            Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

            Hey Brit Guy! Who is representing the U.K. in the 4x400? How's Jamie Baulch doing this year?

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            • #7
              Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

              Speaking of Baulch, at the Olympics and WCs, he had this dramatic tendency to sprint first 200 all out and make it look like the Brits could catch the Americans and then he would hit the wall real bad in the last 100.

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              • #8
                Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

                >Oh cringe, not more talk of 60's has-beens....>>

                You are correct sir, which is why this thread has been moved to the has-beens section.

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                • #9
                  Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

                  If the 60's runners had the ame palying field as the 80's 90's and current runners they would probably be more superior. Remember, the majprity of top runners now get paid quite handsomely to perform and they didn't get paid a dime in the 60's, so they had to beg, borrow and beg some more just to eat. Aside from Bullet Bob Hayes, how many really cut muscle bound srpinters did we see back then? I'd be surprised if someone could even name 5. Nowadyas, that's the norm, even for the females. If Smith, Carlos, Hines, Evans, Lennox Miller and amny more the Dollars and sponsors that are available now, only MJ and King Carl couls stand shoulder to shoulder with these individuals. As for has-beens, I was an honor roll student in 3rd grade, and now Im' scraping the bottom of the barrel.

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                  • #10
                    Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

                    Being superior is just fine: it's not necessary to be "more superior." And the idea that runners of the '60s didn't get a dime is, well, perhaps not based entirely in fact. By the way, watch the sjpeling...

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                    • #11
                      Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

                      How about this.
                      60's team
                      1. Lee Evans
                      2. Ron Freeman
                      3. Larry James
                      4. Tommie Smith
                      vs.
                      70's team
                      1. John Smith
                      2. Willie Smith
                      3. Fred Newhouse
                      4. Larry Black
                      vs.
                      80's team
                      1. Danny Everett
                      2. Alonzo Babers
                      3. Steve Lewis
                      4. Butch Reynolds
                      vs. 90's team
                      1. Andrew Valmon
                      2. Qunicy Watts
                      3. Antonio Pettigrew
                      4. Michael Johnson
                      vs. 00's team (tentative to change)
                      1. Alvin Harrison
                      2. Angelo Taylor
                      3. Tyree Washington
                      4. Calvin Harrison
                      Would that be a race or what?

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                      • #12
                        Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

                        How about this.
                        60's team
                        1. Lee Evans
                        2. Ron Freeman
                        3. Larry James
                        4. Tommie Smith
                        vs.
                        70's team
                        1. John Smith
                        2. Willie Smith
                        3. Fred Newhouse
                        4. Larry Black

                        Presuming this to be an all-US team, here are some additional nominations:

                        '70s, replace Willie Smith with Vince Matthews.
                        '60s, replace Freeman with Henry Carr, at least. Consider substituting Ulis Williams or Mike Larrabee or Otis Davis for James.
                        Other decades (no particular order):
                        '50s, Glenn Davis, Mal Whitfield, Charlie Jenkins, Eddie Southern
                        '40s, Grover Klemmer, Hubie Kerns, Mal Whitfield, Reggie Pearman
                        '30s, Bill Carr, Ben Eastman, Archie Williams, Ray Malott
                        '20s, Ray Barbuti, Allen Woodring, Bud Spencer, Morgan Taylor
                        '10s, Ted Meredith, Binga Dismond, Charles Reidpath, Donnell Young
                        '00s, Maxey Long, John B. Taylor, John Carpenter, Bill Robbins

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                        • #13
                          Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

                          If a time machine could be produced, that would be an excellent race. I believe then, 2.54.0 would be broken by at least two of those teams.

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                          • #14
                            Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

                            Surprised no one has mentioned Renaldo Nehemiah or Maurice Peoples, who have two of the fastest splits ever at Penn.

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                            • #15
                              Re: How about fantasy 4x400?

                              What Nehemiah's 44.3 in a drizzly chill at Penn '79 was how much potential he had. What it showed Nehemiah was how little he ever wanted to do that again.

                              His 44.3 400 leg trailed a 43.8 440 by Larry Black in '72, and a 43.9 440 for Larry James in '68 on the Penn Relays all-time list.

                              I don't think that's enough to put Nehemiah on the '70s list.

                              Maurice Peoples's 43.4 440 split came in 1973 at the Baton Rouge NCAA. I don't think the one race puts him on this relay team.

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