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  • Joe the Plumber speaks out on Foreign Policy

    Omigawd !!! Are there no limits as to his competencies? What an undiscovered gem --- he surpasses even SP as a multi-tasker, but perhaps his 15 minutes of fame is being stretched a bit?
    By the way Joe (or Sam) is predicting the demise of Israel, if Obama happens to get elected. What will tomorrow bring?

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    Re: Joe the Plumber speaks out on Foreign Policy

    Originally posted by rasb
    By the way Joe (or Sam) is predicting the demise of Israel, if Obama happens to get elected.
    Serious question, is this bad for the prophesies in Revelations? Maybe that is Joe's angle here? I had read one disputed argument that some evangelicals donate to jewish charities on the grounds that it might be good in that respect.

    Originally posted by NYTimes magazine
    ''What about the Armageddon scenario?'' As Bauer knows, a great many Jews believe that evangelicals want to gather Jews in Israel to bring on the ''End of Days,'' a Book of Revelation big bang that includes the return of Jesus and a Jewish mass conversion.

    Bauer dismissed this as the ''odd belief'' of an insignificant minority. ''Most evangelicals support Israel for national-security reasons,'' he said. ''After 9/11 there is a strong interest in foreign affairs, and we have a tendency to identify Israel as good guys.''

    "The Rabbi Who Loved Evangelicals (and Vice Versa)" By ZEV CHAFETS Published: July 24, 2005
    While this argument might not be taken seriously by intellectuals it does not mean that it is not out there as whispers.

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    • #3
      Shouldn't he be called Joe the not-plumber?

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      • #4
        I hear they found some scrolls in some cave near the Sea of Galilee last week, they are the long lost, passed-out-of-memory, little known book of the Bible that missed the deadline getting to the printer, the Book of Joe.

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          Re: Joe the Plumber speaks out on Foreign Policy

          Originally posted by Daisy
          Serious question, is this bad for the prophesies in Revelations?
          .
          These idiots who want to hasten or be part of the process involved in hurrying the 2nd coming would do well to remember that Jesus said that not even he knew the time of his return, much less any other human. Only God "knows" it. Until then it's a cat in a box waiting to be opened, or some uncollapsed wave function analogue.

          btw speaking of Schrodinger and felines, if some molecules from dead kitty reach an observer's nose outside the box, and also outside the room holding the box, does that constitute interference and hence observation of some "system" ? Why do we have to open the box to know what happened to the cat? [in a particularly special hypothetical case]

          Maybe JRM or someone equally qualified could pm the answer to me, since it doesn't entirely fail to stray from topic of this thread.

          :wink:
          Take good care of yourself.

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            Re: Joe the Plumber speaks out on Foreign Policy

            Originally posted by Mennisco
            does that constitute interference and hence observation of some "system" ?
            Smells and sounds count as observation. Text messages too.

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            • #7
              Re: Joe the Plumber speaks out on Foreign Policy

              Originally posted by Daisy
              Originally posted by Mennisco
              does that constitute interference and hence observation of some "system" ?
              Smells and sounds count as observation. Text messages too.
              Correct. In the quantum mechanical sense, an "observation" is a measurement of (any) physical characteristic that defines the quantum system (e.g. position, momentum, angular momentum, spin, etc...). It isn't literally taken to mean "visually observe".

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              • #8
                This, I suppose, was inevitable. Joe now has a manager:

                http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008 ... a-manager/

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                • #9
                  The Monty Python gang couldn't have written a more breath-takingly idiotic script than the one used by the McCain geniuses.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by kuha
                    The Monty Python gang couldn't have written a more breath-takingly idiotic script than the one used by the McCain geniuses.
                    I totally agree. I'm a Demo centrist, so I am not unhappy about all this, but if McCain had used his own brain and instincts instead if kowtowing to the Righty Repub Morons, he would be 6 days away from being President-elect. Which probably shows that he's not cut out for the job anyway.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by dukehjsteve
                      Originally posted by kuha
                      The Monty Python gang couldn't have written a more breath-takingly idiotic script than the one used by the McCain geniuses.
                      I totally agree. I'm a Demo centrist, so I am not unhappy about all this, but if McCain had used his own brain and instincts instead if kowtowing to the Righty Repub Morons, he would be 6 days away from being President-elect. Which probably shows that he's not cut out for the job anyway.
                      Absolutely. McCain is (or at least was) a far better candidate than the one he's been allowed (or forced) to become.

                      The Republicans truly, truly deserve to get kicked so hard that their ass cheeks come out their ears.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by kuha
                        Originally posted by dukehjsteve
                        Originally posted by kuha
                        The Monty Python gang couldn't have written a more breath-takingly idiotic script than the one used by the McCain geniuses.
                        I totally agree. I'm a Demo centrist, so I am not unhappy about all this, but if McCain had used his own brain and instincts instead if kowtowing to the Righty Repub Morons, he would be 6 days away from being President-elect. Which probably shows that he's not cut out for the job anyway.
                        Absolutely. McCain is (or at least was) a far better candidate than the one he's been allowed (or forced) to become.

                        The Republicans truly, truly deserve to get kicked so hard that their ass cheeks come out their ears.
                        Generally I agree with you 100%. But nobody "forced" McCain to take any stance or position. Having waited (sometimes a little impatiently) for 8+ years, I guess he forgot what his true values were and just had to play to the gallery. If he loses in a week's time, as all "pundits" seem to be saying, he will have helped dig his own political grave.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tandfman
                          This, I suppose, was inevitable. Joe now has a manager:

                          http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008 ... a-manager/
                          Do you think he'll get a $150,000 wardrobe makeover? Nice manicure, pedicure, and leg waxing?

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                          • #14
                            I don't know about that, but I do suspect that with good management, he may have the best chance of his life to find himself in the $250,000+ income bracket that would be taxed a bit more under Obama's plan than under McCain's. Of course, by then, he'd really be Joe the After Dinner Speaker.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by catson52
                              Generally I agree with you 100%. But nobody "forced" McCain to take any stance or position. Having waited (sometimes a little impatiently) for 8+ years, I guess he forgot what his true values were and just had to play to the gallery. If he loses in a week's time, as all "pundits" seem to be saying, he will have helped dig his own political grave.
                              Oh, the ignominy of handlers and spin-doctors and their ilk Consultants are paid BigBux to tell a candidate how focus groups think they should look, speak and act. Sadly. common sense would have been a much better guide for McCain. [same holds true for Obama, although he appears to be loathe to abandon his revival preacher slash civil rights activist posturing, even when the handlers tell him he's coming off too 60s-ish and elitist.]

                              As I was avoiding listening to a campaign ad on the radio ("I approve this message"), it struck me that in a perfect world, all campaign ads in the future would have to have the endorsement of BOTH candidates; that way they'd be forced to have actual issues content, clearly delineating their differences.

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