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  • California's same-sex marriage battle

    Here we go, politics and religion wrapped up in the same package:

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 01&sc=1000

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    Re: California's same-sex marriage battle

    Originally posted by gh
    Here we go, politics and religion wrapped up in the same package
    Silly me thinking there was a separation between the two. I can't fathom why religious types feel they have to foist their definition of marriage on a secular government. Why can't marriage be what the legislature defines it to be? How does same-sex marriage preclude the religious right from their own 'life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness'?

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    • #3
      Re: California's same-sex marriage battle

      Originally posted by Marlow
      Originally posted by gh
      Here we go, politics and religion wrapped up in the same package
      Silly me thinking there was a separation between the two. I can't fathom why religious types feel they have to foist their definition of marriage on a secular government. Why can't marriage be what the legislature defines it to be? How does same-sex marriage preclude the religious right from their own 'life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness'?
      Because we are a Christian nation. Don't you know anything?
      "A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact."
      by Thomas Henry Huxley

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      • #4
        Re: California's same-sex marriage battle

        Originally posted by Pego
        Because we are a Christian nation. Don't you know anything?
        And I'm a Christian in a Christian nation, big whup. That don't give me no reason to demand others think as I do (think, that is - well, I do think, sometimes, but not like 'they' do!)

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        • #5
          Biden says he and Obama do not support redefining marriage.
          phsstt!

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          • #6
            Re: California's same-sex marriage battle

            Originally posted by Pego
            Because we are a Christian nation. Don't you know anything?
            Yes, but this is here in California. We are all godless heathens.

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            • #7
              Re: California's same-sex marriage battle

              Originally posted by Marlow
              Originally posted by Pego
              Because we are a Christian nation. Don't you know anything?
              And I'm a Christian in a Christian nation, big whup. That don't give me no reason to demand others think as I do (think, that is - well, I do think, sometimes, but not like 'they' do!)
              That is not what I read daily in letters to the editor in the Wausau Daily Herald.
              Christian nation-God's laws, not of those godless socialists that want to dismantle Christianity, force women to abort their babies and nationalize all the property. Oh yes, confiscate all the guns.
              "A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact."
              by Thomas Henry Huxley

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              • #8
                Originally posted by SQUACKEE
                Biden says he and Obama do not support redefining marriage.
                They do't have to support it. They just have to let the states decide issues like that. It isn't, and shouldn't be, a federal issue.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SQUACKEE
                  Biden says he and Obama do not support redefining marriage.
                  of course they say that, it's politically impossible to say anything different. but i would bet money they would support some kind of partnership agreement without the contentious word marriage attached,

                  in UK we have civil partnerships which were supported by all parties right and left and you know what, marriage hasn't been undermined and the world hasn't come to an end !!! :shock:
                  i deserve extra credit

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by tandfman
                    Originally posted by SQUACKEE
                    Biden says he and Obama do not support redefining marriage.
                    They do't have to support it. They just have to let the states decide issues like that. It isn't, and shouldn't be, a federal issue.
                    I understand that i was still a little surprised that they wont come out and say the are for gay marriage. Politics.
                    phsstt!

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                    • #11
                      But do the civil partners have all of the legal rights that spouses have?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tandfman
                        But do the civil partners have all of the legal rights that spouses have?
                        Im not totally sure, i think they do and damn well should.

                        My point was i believe Obama and Biden are pro gay marriage but they wont say it for political reasons, im i wrong?
                        phsstt!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by tandfman
                          But do the civil partners have all of the legal rights that spouses have?
                          As I understand it, the UK civil union is equivalent to a heterosexual registry office civil wedding in pretty much most respects. I can't think offhand of any area where it's not equal.

                          I've never understood the "homosexuals are responsible for the breakdown of the nuclear family" shtick of the religious wingnuts. I think they've got a nerve blaming their adultery, divorces and crack-addicted kids on me!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tandfman
                            Originally posted by SQUACKEE
                            Biden says he and Obama do not support redefining marriage.
                            They do't have to support it. They just have to let the states decide issues like that. It isn't, and shouldn't be, a federal issue.
                            Ultimately, this WILL end up before the Supreme Court. There is no way it can't since the argument will be that if different states have different interpretations of civil union and/or marriage, it will, in effect favor one segment of society over another.

                            Gays should be allowed to marry - they are not a favored segment of society and should have to suffer like the rest of us.

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                            • #15
                              You say "most respects." Is anything left out? Inheritance rights? Rights to jointly own property? Insurance benefits (public or private)? Retirement benefits, etc.? The reason there has been such a strong push to legalize same sex marriages in the US is that registered civil unions confer some legal benefits, but usually leave the parties with fewer legal rights than they would have if they were married.

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