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  • #31
    Originally posted by tandfman
    Originally posted by gm
    It would be fine with me if government entities withdrew all support for marriage/family issues, then people could do what they want. No more tax breaks,
    Tax breaks? I believe until fairly recently there was actually a tax penalty for being married. Two people earning approximately the same amount of money paid significantly more in federal income taxes if they were married filing a joint return than they would have if they had been single filing separate returns.
    Still do. It is why mrs. hammy and I, together for over 17 years, are still not married.

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    • #32
      It's obvious that gm is NOT married. OR, he's so perpetually blissed out in matrimonial Nirvana that he pays no attention whatever to such grubby details of life as tax returns...

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      • #33
        Originally posted by tandfman
        But do the civil partners have all of the legal rights that spouses have?
        it's my understanding that all the rights and responsibilities are the same but nobody wants to marry (sorry civily partner) me so i haven't put it to the test yet :cry
        i deserve extra credit

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        • #34
          I'm not sure what he would say about same-sex marriages, but a former boss of mine once advised me that "marriage is the smartest mistake you can ever make."

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          • #35
            Originally posted by mump boy
            it's my understanding that all the rights and responsibilities are the same but nobody wants to marry (sorry civily partner) me so i haven't put it to the test yet :cry
            I'll do it mump boy, if we get to 40 and we're both still single! :lol: Then at least we've got a back up! (I wonder how many people would freak out reading a gay marriage proposal on the internet? Disclaimer: I have never met mump boy or even had a conversation with him outside the confines of various message boards. Goodness only knows what we'd be letting ourselves in for).

            "Will you civilly partner me?" just doesn't have the same touch of romance about it though. Do gays get down on one knee? Is it acceptable for a man to wear an engagement ring? On the other hand, if you've been disinherited by the in-laws for being gay then at least you won't have to spend Christmas with them. In separate rooms.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by SQUACKEE


              My point was i believe Obama and Biden are pro gay marriage but they wont say it for political reasons, im i wrong?
              Yes, you are wrong. Obama is against gay marriage for religious reasons. Sometimes things are what they seem.

              He is not particularly left leaning. You don't have to worry about him banning handguns or opposing the death penalty.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Per Andersen

                He is not particularly left leaning. You don't have to worry about him banning handguns or opposing the death penalty.
                Nobody's worrying about that, they're far more worried about the communist dictatorship that's about to be put in place!!! :shock:

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Flumpy
                  Originally posted by Per Andersen

                  He is not particularly left leaning. You don't have to worry about him banning handguns or opposing the death penalty.
                  Nobody's worrying about that, they're far more worried about the communist dictatorship that's about to be put in place!!! :shock:
                  islamic, communist, dictatorship :x :x
                  i deserve extra credit

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by AthleticsInBritain
                    Originally posted by mump boy
                    it's my understanding that all the rights and responsibilities are the same but nobody wants to marry (sorry civily partner) me so i haven't put it to the test yet :cry
                    I'll do it mump boy, if we get to 40 and we're both still single! :lol: Then at least we've got a back up! (I wonder how many people would freak out reading a gay marriage proposal on the internet? Disclaimer: I have never met mump boy or even had a conversation with him outside the confines of various message boards. Goodness only knows what we'd be letting ourselves in for).

                    "Will you civilly partner me?" just doesn't have the same touch of romance about it though. Do gays get down on one knee? Is it acceptable for a man to wear an engagement ring? On the other hand, if you've been disinherited by the in-laws for being gay then at least you won't have to spend Christmas with them. In separate rooms.
                    hey don't laugh you may have a deal :wink:

                    T&FN first wedding you're all invited i want to hold it during a major champ and Merlene Ottey, Anna Quirot and Turinesh Dibaba as brides maids :P
                    i deserve extra credit

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by imaginative
                      Originally posted by Helen S
                      I keep hoping for some scientist to accomplish human parthenogenisis by somehow bringing an unfertilized egg to adulthood (or a sperm cell) so then the evangelicals will have to consider the destruction of all unfertilized eggs or unused sperm MURDER also. That will shake things up a bit!
                      I believe that the catholics once considered masturbation and coitus
                      interuptus evil, because it deprived a child of the chance of being
                      born. The concept would then not be entirely new. (Obviously,
                      extending it to each individual sperm/egg would be.)
                      The Catholic church is still against birth control, but I don't know of any Catholics who have families the size of the families that Catholics from my grandparents' generation had. And the leaders of our faith are unequivocal in their opposition to the death penalty, but I know many Catholics who support it.

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                      • #41
                        Comedian Wanda Sykes once said, "I don't why so many people are worried about gay marriage. Gays didn't wreck my marriage, it was divorce that wrecked my marriage."

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by imaginative
                          Originally posted by Helen S
                          I keep hoping for some scientist to accomplish human parthenogenisis by somehow bringing an unfertilized egg to adulthood (or a sperm cell) so then the evangelicals will have to consider the destruction of all unfertilized eggs or unused sperm MURDER also. That will shake things up a bit!
                          I believe that the catholics once considered masturbation and coitus
                          interuptus evil, because it deprived a child of the chance of being
                          born. The concept would then not be entirely new. (Obviously,
                          extending it to each individual sperm/egg would be.)
                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan
                          "A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact."
                          by Thomas Henry Huxley

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Pego
                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan
                            Ah yes, Onan, the Master Barbarian!

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by tandfman
                              Originally posted by SQUACKEE
                              Biden says he and Obama do not support redefining marriage.
                              They don't have to support it. They just have to let the states decide issues like that. It isn't, and shouldn't be, a federal issue.
                              By the way, that is apparently McCain's position on this. He opposes same-sex marriages but voted against making that a Federal law on the grounds that this was something that should be left to the states.

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                              • #45
                                How can it possibly NOT be a federal issue??? If a gay married couple move from state to state is their relationship defined by the laws of the new state or the old? Can a marriage contract be invalidated by moving from one state to another? Is it possible to be married in California but not in Utah?

                                Does the "full faith & credit" clause of the Constitution apply? Isn't throwing this to the states sort of the same as allowing states to make their own laws about slavery? Dred Scott in 1857 presented the same issues... was Scott a freeman forever because he had lived in a free state, or a slave forever because he had that status in slave states? Some politician back then said something about a house divided against itself not standing... how can we have different rules from state to state about such a basic social and legal contractual relationship?

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