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  • #16
    Originally posted by gh
    now wanting to fuck sheep, that's inordinate!
    Are you besmirching the reputation of the Scots?

    cman

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    • #17
      Re: Answers to TrackDaddy's Politically incorrect.

      Originally posted by Dutra
      The sexual fetish is what drives the sexual orientation.
      Your idea of what constitutes a fetish and my idea of fetish are not even remotely similar! :shock:

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      • #18
        Re: Answers to TrackDaddy's Politically incorrect.

        I guess we can't delete posts.

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        • #19
          Re: Answers to TrackDaddy's Politically incorrect.

          I'm blank on purpose.

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          • #20
            Re: Answers to TrackDaddy's Politically incorrect.

            Originally posted by AthleticsInBritain
            Originally posted by Dutra
            Originally posted by AthleticsInBritain
            Originally posted by Dutra
            Originally posted by Pego
            5. Since being gay isnt a gender...isnt it just an inordinate lust?

            Neither. It is sexual orientation of complex and varied causes.
            inordinate lust IMHO.
            Well, I suppose you can call a sexual orientation 'lust', but what's inordinate about being gay?
            I think a man attracted to another man or a woman attracted to another woman is an extension of all tendencies within the sexual realm. If that doesn't fall under "lust" then so be it. In other words, it's a further extension on a sexual fetish.

            The sexual fetish is what drives the sexual orientation.
            So assuming you're a straight male, presumably you have a fetish for women?
            I guess it depends on how far you think the definition of a fetish goes. The desire to copulate with another male may come from the same place that the desire for someone to engage in BDSM for instance.

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            • #21
              Re: Answers to TrackDaddy's Politically incorrect.

              Originally posted by Dutra
              The desire to copulate with another male may come from the same place that the desire for someone to engage in BDSM for instance.
              Or, just as easily, not.

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              • #22
                To be honest, homosexuality as an identity is a Victorian invention. Before that it was purely the act of buggery or sodomy. If you were convicted of it it didn't mean you had an identity, except probably as a pervert! Even in late Victorian times Bosie Douglas married a woman after the Oscar Wilde affair and regained some respectability. It was just a sexual act - a forbidden one, but just an act nonetheless.

                Homosexuality, or at least bisexuality, happens quite often in nature. Seals, stags, allsorts of animals that compete with others for females have been known to copulate with other males, although this generally only happens when there are no females available and it's to blow off some steam!

                Some birds, like the recent stories of gay penguins pairing off as mates and stealing eggs in order to raise chicks together. Some of our nearest animal cousins, the Bonobo chimpanzees appear to be bisexual, with sex between pairs of males and pairs of females very common and it appears to be a bonding mechanism and a way of establishing hierarchy within a group, although same-sex couples don't seem to pair for life.

                It's very unclear what role it may play in procreation - it may be a way of providing additional non-competitive carers for offspring. It may be a cultural thing, similar to the Bonobos. Who knows?

                But same-sex couplings and relationships have been around for as long as humans have so there must be some reason for it.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by AthleticsInBritain
                  But same-sex couplings and relationships have been around for as long as humans have so there must be some reason for it.
                  I'm sure SOMEone will excoriate me for this statement (or, someone like Daisy will say I'm just flat-out wrong!), but I believe homosexuality is a naturally occurring 'crossed-wire' like dyslexia or color-blindness. It's not right or wrong; it just is. There are examples of 'nurtured' homosexuality (as occurred in ancient Greece), but today, in America, it's hardly ever a choice at all (IMO!).

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                  • #24
                    color blindness is 100% genetic; homosexuality obviously isn't because there are scientifically documented incidences of gay/straight twins as far as I know. That doesn't add any weight to the "choice" side of things those, because I understand there are multiple in-the-womb issues that apparently come into play.

                    Long and short of it is that my take would be—admittedly painting with a somewhat wide brush—if you care about the science side of things you don't think it's a matter of choice; if you base such judgment on what your religion tells you, it is.

                    Science and religion aren't remotely incompatible, but too many people on the religious side try to make it so.

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                    • #25
                      I love the enchange of dialogue in this thread.

                      Sensitive issue, intelligible responses.
                      The fool has said...there is no God. Psa 14

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                      • #26
                        Re: Answers to TrackDaddy's Politically incorrect.

                        Originally posted by Marlow
                        Originally posted by Dutra
                        The desire to copulate with another male may come from the same place that the desire for someone to engage in BDSM for instance.
                        Or, just as easily, not.
                        My sister is in a same sex marriage and I presented this theory to her and her mate one time a number of years ago. Initially both were taken aback. After a while I think they understood what I meant.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Answers to TrackDaddy's Politically incorrect.

                          Originally posted by Dutra
                          Originally posted by Marlow
                          Originally posted by Dutra
                          The desire to copulate with another male may come from the same place that the desire for someone to engage in BDSM for instance.
                          Or, just as easily, not.
                          My sister is in a same sex marriage and I presented this theory to her and her mate one time a number of years ago. Initially both were taken aback. After a while I think they understood what I meant.
                          I understand what you mean, but speaking from experience, I think for those people who are 100% gay it's something a bit more fundamental than a fetish.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Answers to TrackDaddy's Politically incorrect.

                            Originally posted by AthleticsInBritain
                            Originally posted by Dutra
                            Originally posted by Marlow
                            Originally posted by Dutra
                            The desire to copulate with another male may come from the same place that the desire for someone to engage in BDSM for instance.
                            Or, just as easily, not.
                            My sister is in a same sex marriage and I presented this theory to her and her mate one time a number of years ago. Initially both were taken aback. After a while I think they understood what I meant.
                            I understand what you mean, but speaking from experience, I think for those people who are 100% gay it's something a bit more fundamental than a fetish.
                            Explain what you mean.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by gh
                              color blindness is 100% genetic; homosexuality obviously isn't
                              I'll use the word 'genetics' as in - determined at birth by the genome - and say it is genetic. If a pair of identical twins are not both of the same 'persuasion', then I attribute that to the differences that twins really do have (i.e., as they age, people can tell them apart). I don't see homosexuality as a 'birth defect', but I do see it as an anomaly. According to figures I've seen (who knows how accurate they are?!), up to 10% of the population has homosexuality 'tendencies' (again, I'm not sure what that means), and maybe 5% actually have that tendency strongly enough to act upon it, in or out of the closet. The whole thing is actually kind of fascinating, as are most all of human behavior patterns!

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                              • #30
                                Would white people hate OJ as much if he'd been accused of killing his first wife...who was black?

                                I do not think that the crime would have garnered as much national attention or hatred towards OJ on a national scale. There are some whites and black that would have been outraged over the murder of his black wife. But black on black crime just doesnt make prime time news.

                                Why are 70% of black children born out of wedlock? Have black women ever heard of marriage?

                                I dont think marraige is seen as such a strong cultural norm amongst black youth...imo. Due to the requrements in the welfare system that affects lower income people. Thats not to say that this is something bad though. Generaly I think marriage is becoming less relevant amongst all american youths today.

                                Why do we accomodate the hispanic people who wont learn english?

                                Theres so many spanish speakers in the U.S. I dont exactly think theres is a actual effort to accomodate them...it just happens. I think ppl in the U.S. should try to learn more than one language, thats a seperate topic though.

                                Why do white males always deny that any issue of alleged discrimination exists...unless its reverse?

                                I do see this, but not all white males are like this. Ive met some that deny everything, and some that are understanding of others situations.

                                Since being gay isnt a gender...isnt it just an inordinate lust?

                                By the failed logic suggested in this question, anything that is not a gender can be said to be an inordinate lust. Wrong! Sexual orientation and gender are two different things. Being gay is being gay, having an inordinate lust is haveing an inordinate lust. Both gays and straights are capable of haveing inordinate lust.

                                Doesn't being gay stand against the natural order of things to procreate? And therefore opposes the sustenance of the familial infrastructure of mankind and consequently the species?

                                Natural is what occures in nature, there is no prescribed order that you suggest. Homosexual practices have been observed in thousands of species in nature. Homosexuality is not the norm, but it is natural. "Familial infrastructure" is a social costruct that will be undermined by anything in the culture not described as part of the infrastructure. so thats pretty much irrelevant. 5-10% of the people choosing not to procreate will not have an adverse affects to the human species that is already overpopulating the earth.


                                Why do so many black men not have anything to do with the children they sire?

                                Children take the backburner to other issues like money, education, and crime that are afflicting the black male community at high rates.

                                Why do black men leave the house in do- rags?

                                personal preference. Why do _____ leave the house in baseball caps?

                                If you get a tattoo to be set apart or be an individual...arent you really just being like everyone else who has one? Isnt the only way you're special and set apart is if you dont get one? Isnt there only one you?

                                Arguement could be applied to both groups who set out to be different by either getting one or choosing not to get one. Whatever you decide, millions of others have made that same decision.

                                If you get type II diabetes...isnt that self inflicted?

                                I wouldnt neccesarily call it self inflicted, there a several contributing factors. Generally it can be traced to lifestyle. But so what, that doesnt mean any less care or attention should be aforded to individuals copeing with TII diabeltes.


                                When white people get really fat they will be an outcast in their family and community... even to the point of suicide. If black people get really fat their family still loves them.

                                I do think weight is less of an issue in the black community than in the white commuity imo.


                                Why do black people wash their cars so much? Why do white people leave theirs dirty?

                                I havent really been seeing anybody wash their car alot, white or black.

                                Why are black people mocked for liking chicken and watermelon? Are asian people criticized for eating sushi?

                                I do see asians mocked over some of their foods, not sushi so much.

                                Why can hispanic people name their kids Jose and Maria...white folks name their kids Tyler and Samantha...but black people be crucified because they didnt?

                                American norms and expectations. I believe since hispanics have a language like spanish attached to their identity, then spanish names are more acceptable. Whereas african americans only have english attached to the modern day identiy, therefore a name like Lakeisha is less acceptable since it strays more from american english and names then say samantha.

                                Why is it illegal to harm an unborn eagle (egg), but legal to abort an unborn
                                child?

                                What? It is not illegal to harm an unborn egg. Im guessing you meant egg cell. Scientist do research all the time that sometimes results in the harming of the egg cell. [/i]

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