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  • Daisy
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    Originally posted by Marlow
    Originally posted by Daisy
    Remember that this is not specific to humans.
    Well, we all know that flowers are gay!!! :twisted:
    I meant other animals but since you mention it, most flowers are bisexual. Is that they same as gay?

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  • Marlow
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    Originally posted by Daisy
    Remember that this is not specific to humans.
    Well, we all know that flowers are gay!!! :twisted:

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  • Daisy
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    Originally posted by Marlow
    Originally posted by gh
    color blindness is 100% genetic; homosexuality obviously isn't
    I'll use the word 'genetics' as in - determined at birth by the genome - and say it is genetic. .......The whole thing is actually kind of fascinating, as are most all of human behavior patterns!
    Remember that this is not specific to humans.

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  • Marlow
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    Re: Answers to TrackDaddy's Politically incorrect.

    Originally posted by AthleticsInBritain
    However if you reduce homosexuality to a purely sexual act you miss out the human component. In a relationship, love is involved. You're relating to another person romantically and not to a sexual object, or a person that's been objectified. I'm sure you can appreciate the two are quite different things.
    However if you reduce heterosexuality to a purely sexual act you miss out the human component. In a relationship, love is involved. You're relating to another person romantically and not to a sexual object, or a person that's been objectified. I'm sure you can appreciate the two are quite different things.

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  • gh
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    <<6. Doesn't being gay stand against the natural order of things to procreate? And therefore opposes the sustenance of the familial infrastructure of mankind and consequently the species? Is it rational to support that? >>

    I'm a raging heterosexual (as is my wife). Neither of us have the slightest inclination towards procreation, as much as we enjoy practicing. Sorry, we don't have the breeder gene. I guess that means you wouldn't "support" us.

    Conversely, we have gay friends with a raging desire for children. And gays, just like heteros, practice adoption, surrogate parenthood, in vitro fertilzation, you name it.

    Gays are hardly opposed to procreation; they just don't like to do the same way you do. Ostracizing them for that is no different than so doing for race, color or creed.

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  • AthleticsInBritain
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    Re: Answers to TrackDaddy's Politically incorrect.

    Originally posted by Dutra
    My sister is in a same sex marriage and I presented this theory to her and her mate one time a number of years ago. Initially both were taken aback. After a while I think they understood what I meant.

    Originally posted by AthleticsInBritain
    I understand what you mean, but speaking from experience, I think for those people who are 100% gay it's something a bit more fundamental than a fetish.
    Explain what you mean.
    I'm surprised your sister didn't tell you. I see fetish as a sexual obsession, to the point almost that orgasm can't be achieved without the fetish object being present/involved.

    However if you reduce homosexuality to a purely sexual act you miss out the human component. In a relationship, love is involved. You're relating to another person romantically and not to a sexual object, or a person that's been objectified. I'm sure you can appreciate the two are quite different things.

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  • EPelle
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    3. Why do we accomodate the hispanic people who wont learn english?

    Would you rather have a modestly intelligent* -- yet english-illiterate -- group of people make good choices by use of those legal means possible or to have this group of people remain clueless and set back for an undetermined period of time? If they are set back, does the cost of accomodating them with language-based literature outweigh the costs of social welfare - the logical step taken for folks who are left behind with no means to cover the necessary costs of their lives?

    Would not they be more productive as members of society if they were provided similar conditions (the ability to make rational decisions without the limitations placed on a person who doesn't understand a language) upon which to make determinations and add value with the skills their brains and hands are able to provide?

    Insofar as accomodation is concerned for people who don't speak a language, I do believe there could be a better effort made by those who are meant to be reached to be less dependent on special consideration than what is currently in place. There are groups of people not just in the USA, but here as well who are not hispanic who tend to group together and remain outside of the mainstream where people interact in a given language. They miss out on daily transactions which could lead to a lesser dependency on the reliance on others for support.

    Finally, to answer the question frankly and with all due respect, who is anyone in the USA to suggest that another group should not be granted such language-based consideration when the USA has no officially recognised national language in the first place?

    * (based on no studies, simply for the sake of argument; we have thousands of cases here of immigrants who were something special in their home countries before arriving here to drive taxis; clip locks of hair; work as kebab bakers; and more)

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  • EPelle
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    Originally posted by Medal
    Why are 70% of black children born out of wedlock? Have black women ever heard of marriage?

    I dont think marraige is seen as such a strong cultural norm amongst black youth...imo. Due to the requrements in the welfare system that affects lower income people. Thats not to say that this is something bad though. Generaly I think marriage is becoming less relevant amongst all american youths today.
    This is not a black-specific issue or one which has to do with a specific culture. Many Swedes, many thousands of kilometres away, are also unmarried, living together and having children "out of wedlock". On average, we have 39.000 marriages a year registered in this country. Men are getting married at age 34,5 whilst women are marrying at 31,9. Many folks are chosing to live together as registered partners.

    Marriage is not seen as the first choice between a great percentage of men and women in love, and doesn't automatically become evident when those two people create a family - whether by plan or by accident.

    What makes the difference between a white Swedish woman and a black American one on paper?

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  • Medal
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    Would white people hate OJ as much if he'd been accused of killing his first wife...who was black?

    I do not think that the crime would have garnered as much national attention or hatred towards OJ on a national scale. There are some whites and black that would have been outraged over the murder of his black wife. But black on black crime just doesnt make prime time news.

    Why are 70% of black children born out of wedlock? Have black women ever heard of marriage?

    I dont think marraige is seen as such a strong cultural norm amongst black youth...imo. Due to the requrements in the welfare system that affects lower income people. Thats not to say that this is something bad though. Generaly I think marriage is becoming less relevant amongst all american youths today.

    Why do we accomodate the hispanic people who wont learn english?

    Theres so many spanish speakers in the U.S. I dont exactly think theres is a actual effort to accomodate them...it just happens. I think ppl in the U.S. should try to learn more than one language, thats a seperate topic though.

    Why do white males always deny that any issue of alleged discrimination exists...unless its reverse?

    I do see this, but not all white males are like this. Ive met some that deny everything, and some that are understanding of others situations.

    Since being gay isnt a gender...isnt it just an inordinate lust?

    By the failed logic suggested in this question, anything that is not a gender can be said to be an inordinate lust. Wrong! Sexual orientation and gender are two different things. Being gay is being gay, having an inordinate lust is haveing an inordinate lust. Both gays and straights are capable of haveing inordinate lust.

    Doesn't being gay stand against the natural order of things to procreate? And therefore opposes the sustenance of the familial infrastructure of mankind and consequently the species?

    Natural is what occures in nature, there is no prescribed order that you suggest. Homosexual practices have been observed in thousands of species in nature. Homosexuality is not the norm, but it is natural. "Familial infrastructure" is a social costruct that will be undermined by anything in the culture not described as part of the infrastructure. so thats pretty much irrelevant. 5-10% of the people choosing not to procreate will not have an adverse affects to the human species that is already overpopulating the earth.


    Why do so many black men not have anything to do with the children they sire?

    Children take the backburner to other issues like money, education, and crime that are afflicting the black male community at high rates.

    Why do black men leave the house in do- rags?

    personal preference. Why do _____ leave the house in baseball caps?

    If you get a tattoo to be set apart or be an individual...arent you really just being like everyone else who has one? Isnt the only way you're special and set apart is if you dont get one? Isnt there only one you?

    Arguement could be applied to both groups who set out to be different by either getting one or choosing not to get one. Whatever you decide, millions of others have made that same decision.

    If you get type II diabetes...isnt that self inflicted?

    I wouldnt neccesarily call it self inflicted, there a several contributing factors. Generally it can be traced to lifestyle. But so what, that doesnt mean any less care or attention should be aforded to individuals copeing with TII diabeltes.


    When white people get really fat they will be an outcast in their family and community... even to the point of suicide. If black people get really fat their family still loves them.

    I do think weight is less of an issue in the black community than in the white commuity imo.


    Why do black people wash their cars so much? Why do white people leave theirs dirty?

    I havent really been seeing anybody wash their car alot, white or black.

    Why are black people mocked for liking chicken and watermelon? Are asian people criticized for eating sushi?

    I do see asians mocked over some of their foods, not sushi so much.

    Why can hispanic people name their kids Jose and Maria...white folks name their kids Tyler and Samantha...but black people be crucified because they didnt?

    American norms and expectations. I believe since hispanics have a language like spanish attached to their identity, then spanish names are more acceptable. Whereas african americans only have english attached to the modern day identiy, therefore a name like Lakeisha is less acceptable since it strays more from american english and names then say samantha.

    Why is it illegal to harm an unborn eagle (egg), but legal to abort an unborn
    child?

    What? It is not illegal to harm an unborn egg. Im guessing you meant egg cell. Scientist do research all the time that sometimes results in the harming of the egg cell. [/i]

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  • Marlow
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    Originally posted by gh
    color blindness is 100% genetic; homosexuality obviously isn't
    I'll use the word 'genetics' as in - determined at birth by the genome - and say it is genetic. If a pair of identical twins are not both of the same 'persuasion', then I attribute that to the differences that twins really do have (i.e., as they age, people can tell them apart). I don't see homosexuality as a 'birth defect', but I do see it as an anomaly. According to figures I've seen (who knows how accurate they are?!), up to 10% of the population has homosexuality 'tendencies' (again, I'm not sure what that means), and maybe 5% actually have that tendency strongly enough to act upon it, in or out of the closet. The whole thing is actually kind of fascinating, as are most all of human behavior patterns!

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  • Dutra
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    Re: Answers to TrackDaddy's Politically incorrect.

    Originally posted by AthleticsInBritain
    Originally posted by Dutra
    Originally posted by Marlow
    Originally posted by Dutra
    The desire to copulate with another male may come from the same place that the desire for someone to engage in BDSM for instance.
    Or, just as easily, not.
    My sister is in a same sex marriage and I presented this theory to her and her mate one time a number of years ago. Initially both were taken aback. After a while I think they understood what I meant.
    I understand what you mean, but speaking from experience, I think for those people who are 100% gay it's something a bit more fundamental than a fetish.
    Explain what you mean.

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  • AthleticsInBritain
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    Re: Answers to TrackDaddy's Politically incorrect.

    Originally posted by Dutra
    Originally posted by Marlow
    Originally posted by Dutra
    The desire to copulate with another male may come from the same place that the desire for someone to engage in BDSM for instance.
    Or, just as easily, not.
    My sister is in a same sex marriage and I presented this theory to her and her mate one time a number of years ago. Initially both were taken aback. After a while I think they understood what I meant.
    I understand what you mean, but speaking from experience, I think for those people who are 100% gay it's something a bit more fundamental than a fetish.

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  • Dutra
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    Re: Answers to TrackDaddy's Politically incorrect.

    Originally posted by Marlow
    Originally posted by Dutra
    The desire to copulate with another male may come from the same place that the desire for someone to engage in BDSM for instance.
    Or, just as easily, not.
    My sister is in a same sex marriage and I presented this theory to her and her mate one time a number of years ago. Initially both were taken aback. After a while I think they understood what I meant.

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  • TrackDaddy
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    I love the enchange of dialogue in this thread.

    Sensitive issue, intelligible responses.

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  • gh
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    color blindness is 100% genetic; homosexuality obviously isn't because there are scientifically documented incidences of gay/straight twins as far as I know. That doesn't add any weight to the "choice" side of things those, because I understand there are multiple in-the-womb issues that apparently come into play.

    Long and short of it is that my take would be—admittedly painting with a somewhat wide brush—if you care about the science side of things you don't think it's a matter of choice; if you base such judgment on what your religion tells you, it is.

    Science and religion aren't remotely incompatible, but too many people on the religious side try to make it so.

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