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  • #31
    Originally posted by Medal
    Why are 70% of black children born out of wedlock? Have black women ever heard of marriage?

    I dont think marraige is seen as such a strong cultural norm amongst black youth...imo. Due to the requrements in the welfare system that affects lower income people. Thats not to say that this is something bad though. Generaly I think marriage is becoming less relevant amongst all american youths today.
    This is not a black-specific issue or one which has to do with a specific culture. Many Swedes, many thousands of kilometres away, are also unmarried, living together and having children "out of wedlock". On average, we have 39.000 marriages a year registered in this country. Men are getting married at age 34,5 whilst women are marrying at 31,9. Many folks are chosing to live together as registered partners.

    Marriage is not seen as the first choice between a great percentage of men and women in love, and doesn't automatically become evident when those two people create a family - whether by plan or by accident.

    What makes the difference between a white Swedish woman and a black American one on paper?

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    • #32
      3. Why do we accomodate the hispanic people who wont learn english?

      Would you rather have a modestly intelligent* -- yet english-illiterate -- group of people make good choices by use of those legal means possible or to have this group of people remain clueless and set back for an undetermined period of time? If they are set back, does the cost of accomodating them with language-based literature outweigh the costs of social welfare - the logical step taken for folks who are left behind with no means to cover the necessary costs of their lives?

      Would not they be more productive as members of society if they were provided similar conditions (the ability to make rational decisions without the limitations placed on a person who doesn't understand a language) upon which to make determinations and add value with the skills their brains and hands are able to provide?

      Insofar as accomodation is concerned for people who don't speak a language, I do believe there could be a better effort made by those who are meant to be reached to be less dependent on special consideration than what is currently in place. There are groups of people not just in the USA, but here as well who are not hispanic who tend to group together and remain outside of the mainstream where people interact in a given language. They miss out on daily transactions which could lead to a lesser dependency on the reliance on others for support.

      Finally, to answer the question frankly and with all due respect, who is anyone in the USA to suggest that another group should not be granted such language-based consideration when the USA has no officially recognised national language in the first place?

      * (based on no studies, simply for the sake of argument; we have thousands of cases here of immigrants who were something special in their home countries before arriving here to drive taxis; clip locks of hair; work as kebab bakers; and more)

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      • #33
        Re: Answers to TrackDaddy's Politically incorrect.

        Originally posted by Dutra
        My sister is in a same sex marriage and I presented this theory to her and her mate one time a number of years ago. Initially both were taken aback. After a while I think they understood what I meant.

        Originally posted by AthleticsInBritain
        I understand what you mean, but speaking from experience, I think for those people who are 100% gay it's something a bit more fundamental than a fetish.
        Explain what you mean.
        I'm surprised your sister didn't tell you. I see fetish as a sexual obsession, to the point almost that orgasm can't be achieved without the fetish object being present/involved.

        However if you reduce homosexuality to a purely sexual act you miss out the human component. In a relationship, love is involved. You're relating to another person romantically and not to a sexual object, or a person that's been objectified. I'm sure you can appreciate the two are quite different things.

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        • #34
          <<6. Doesn't being gay stand against the natural order of things to procreate? And therefore opposes the sustenance of the familial infrastructure of mankind and consequently the species? Is it rational to support that? >>

          I'm a raging heterosexual (as is my wife). Neither of us have the slightest inclination towards procreation, as much as we enjoy practicing. Sorry, we don't have the breeder gene. I guess that means you wouldn't "support" us.

          Conversely, we have gay friends with a raging desire for children. And gays, just like heteros, practice adoption, surrogate parenthood, in vitro fertilzation, you name it.

          Gays are hardly opposed to procreation; they just don't like to do the same way you do. Ostracizing them for that is no different than so doing for race, color or creed.

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          • #35
            Re: Answers to TrackDaddy's Politically incorrect.

            Originally posted by AthleticsInBritain
            However if you reduce homosexuality to a purely sexual act you miss out the human component. In a relationship, love is involved. You're relating to another person romantically and not to a sexual object, or a person that's been objectified. I'm sure you can appreciate the two are quite different things.
            However if you reduce heterosexuality to a purely sexual act you miss out the human component. In a relationship, love is involved. You're relating to another person romantically and not to a sexual object, or a person that's been objectified. I'm sure you can appreciate the two are quite different things.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Marlow
              Originally posted by gh
              color blindness is 100% genetic; homosexuality obviously isn't
              I'll use the word 'genetics' as in - determined at birth by the genome - and say it is genetic. .......The whole thing is actually kind of fascinating, as are most all of human behavior patterns!
              Remember that this is not specific to humans.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Daisy
                Remember that this is not specific to humans.
                Well, we all know that flowers are gay!!! :twisted:

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Marlow
                  Originally posted by Daisy
                  Remember that this is not specific to humans.
                  Well, we all know that flowers are gay!!! :twisted:
                  I meant other animals but since you mention it, most flowers are bisexual. Is that they same as gay?

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                  • #39
                    Re: Answers to TrackDaddy's Politically incorrect.

                    Originally posted by AthleticsInBritain
                    Originally posted by Dutra
                    My sister is in a same sex marriage and I presented this theory to her and her mate one time a number of years ago. Initially both were taken aback. After a while I think they understood what I meant.

                    Originally posted by AthleticsInBritain
                    I understand what you mean, but speaking from experience, I think for those people who are 100% gay it's something a bit more fundamental than a fetish.
                    Explain what you mean.
                    I'm surprised your sister didn't tell you. I see fetish as a sexual obsession, to the point almost that orgasm can't be achieved without the fetish object being present/involved.

                    However if you reduce homosexuality to a purely sexual act you miss out the human component. In a relationship, love is involved. You're relating to another person romantically and not to a sexual object, or a person that's been objectified. I'm sure you can appreciate the two are quite different things.
                    I think love and lust are more intertwined than you and a lot of other people suggest. If that's objectifying relationships then so be it.

                    Also...we're getting too hung up on the word "fetish" because it has a lot of negative connotations.

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                    • #40
                      <<3. Why do we accomodate the hispanic people who wont learn english? >>

                      Thus has it always been with immigration (legal or not).... complaints of refusing to learn the language, and of course by the next generation everybody speaks perfect English (and as Pego noted earlier, frequently better than the natives). Did you know there was a time not much more than a hundred years ago when Milwaukee had more German speakers and German newspapers than English?

                      If today you find, on a percentage basis, more Hispanics whose English is lacking than most other migrants that's chalked up to the fact that anyone migrating here from Europe (or China, Japan, Korea) learned English before they got on the boat.

                      Central Americans are far less likely to had English opportunities. Indeed, given how many are "peasants" (not meant in a pejorative sense), there's probably a fairly high rate of illiteracy in their native Spanish.

                      But any Hispanic who moves northward does it for one reason: economic opportunity, and if there's an unwritten law on the streets it's that the more English you speak the more money you make. And these guys are all about working hard. Never seen anything like it.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by gh
                        But any Hispanic who moves northward does it for one reason: economic opportunity, and if there's an unwritten law on the streets it's that the more English you speak the more money you make. And these guys are all about working hard. Never seen anything like it.
                        Nail hit on nose.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by EPelle
                          Originally posted by Medal
                          Why are 70% of black children born out of wedlock? Have black women ever heard of marriage?

                          I dont think marraige is seen as such a strong cultural norm amongst black youth...imo. Due to the requrements in the welfare system that affects lower income people. Thats not to say that this is something bad though. Generaly I think marriage is becoming less relevant amongst all american youths today.
                          This is not a black-specific issue or one which has to do with a specific culture. Many Swedes, many thousands of kilometres away, are also unmarried, living together and having children "out of wedlock". On average, we have 39.000 marriages a year registered in this country. Men are getting married at age 34,5 whilst women are marrying at 31,9. Many folks are chosing to live together as registered partners.

                          Marriage is not seen as the first choice between a great percentage of men and women in love, and doesn't automatically become evident when those two people create a family - whether by plan or by accident.

                          What makes the difference between a white Swedish woman and a black American one on paper?
                          On paper there is no difference between a black american and a swedish citizen. I figured the question asked by TD was meant to compare african american marriage rates to other groups marriage rates within the U.S. I didnt think it was posed as an international question.

                          Yes in Europe marriage are occureing less and less. I believe in france people choose the civil union option 3:1 compared to marriage. I do think at this point though, marriage is seen as less essential to U.S. blacks compared to other U.S. groups. I also think the u.s. is starting to move away from marriages, like how you mentioned choosing a domestic partenerships instead or choosing to cohabitate.

                          I agree with you that marriage is not a race specific issue. But I disagree with you in that I do believe marriage is a cultural specific issue. Western europe has a different culutual perception than americans do. That explains why they choose other alternatives to marriage at higher rates then most u.s. citizens today.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Medal
                            Medal addressed TrackDaddy's Politically Incorrect Questions above.
                            Great job, Medal!

                            Obviously I didnt completely agree, but then that was never the objective.
                            The fool has said...there is no God. Psa 14

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by gh
                              <<3. Why do we accomodate the hispanic people who wont learn english? >>

                              Thus has it always been with immigration (legal or not).... complaints of refusing to learn the language, and of course by the next generation everybody speaks perfect English (and as Pego noted earlier, frequently better than the natives). Did you know there was a time not much more than a hundred years ago when Milwaukee had more German speakers and German newspapers than English?

                              If today you find, on a percentage basis, more Hispanics whose English is lacking than most other migrants that's chalked up to the fact that anyone migrating here from Europe (or China, Japan, Korea) learned English before they got on the boat.

                              Central Americans are far less likely to had English opportunities. Indeed, given how many are "peasants" (not meant in a pejorative sense), there's probably a fairly high rate of illiteracy in their native Spanish.

                              But any Hispanic who moves northward does it for one reason: economic opportunity, and if there's an unwritten law on the streets it's that the more English you speak the more money you make. And these guys are all about working hard. Never seen anything like it.
                              I learned a lot of things I dint know from this post.

                              Thanks.
                              The fool has said...there is no God. Psa 14

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by EPelle
                                Finally, to answer the question frankly and with all due respect, who is anyone in the USA to suggest that another group should not be granted such language-based consideration when the USA has no officially recognised national language in the first place?
                                That would be me. 8-)

                                In some ways accomodating people who refuse to learn the language weakens our infrastructure, makes us less efficient and more vulnerable.

                                To everything.

                                Clear, concise communication is very important.
                                The fool has said...there is no God. Psa 14

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