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  • #46
    Re: Sampras v Federer

    I wouldn't say that Wilander beat Mac at his peak because Mac won his last slam at age 24!

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    • #47
      Re: Sampras v Federer

      I wouldn't say that Wilander beat Mac at his peak because Mac won his last slam at age 24!

      Are you saying that Mac was not close to his peak in '83?
      83 and 84 were his top years. Besides, he was 25 in '84 when he won his last slam event, the US Open.

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      • #48
        Re: Sampras v Federer

        Good assessment of Federer v Sampras by Pat Cash:
        http://tinyurl.com/9gxja

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        • #49
          Re: Sampras v Federer

          good line! <<Neither of us experienced the misfortune of confronting Federer,>>

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          • #50
            Re: Sampras v Federer

            >
            Good assessment of Federer v Sampras by Pat Cash:
            http://tinyurl.com/9gxja

            That article pretty much says it all.

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            • #51
              Re: Sampras v Federer

              I agree. Article is on point.

              El D.

              Aces were just one indicatorr. I agree that services held are just as good if not better over the longer term, but aces show when a server is HOT. Look at Venus. Second serve is also important, big advantage Sampras over most big servers. Control is more important than raw speed, but you have to have basic speed to be in the top echelon.

              BTW, Pousis is MY favourite server. Pity he was not a good dnough player to back up those MONSTER strokes. Proves his worth against Pete in that Wimbledon Semis some years back when he pulled a leg muscle while leading.

              I maintain though that the whip forehand crosscourt (Serena does it too) is a killer stroke that is UNPLAYBLE.

              Regarding winning majors with a weak backhand, you need look no further than Steffi with her 22 slams. The slice kept her in the match and allowed Fraulein forehand to set up the killer stroke.

              I urge you to go look at tapes of Pete in the last few years and examine his backhand and you will see what I mean. I was never a Pete fan till post 1999 and I wanted him to win a few more for nostalgia when people started to write him off. The bugbear was the backhand when pressured. If he wasnt able to protect it, he lost. On the contrary, I have seen Fed go toe to toe with the double fisted clay courters and Roddick backhand to backhand and WIN the majority of points. THAT is a solid single fister.

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              • #52
                Re: Sampras v Federer

                >I maintain though that the whip forehand crosscourt (Serena does it too) is a
                >killer stroke that is UNPLAYBLE.<

                that's a basic stroke - clisters,henin, davenport,sharapova, etc. can all play it - & all with power !

                >Regarding winning majors with a weak
                >backhand, you need look no further than Steffi with her 22 slams. The slice
                >kept her in the match and allowed Fraulein forehand to set up the killer
                >stroke.<

                & who was her oppostioin - a too ole martina, a powerless sanchez, a too young capriati

                the only top player in her time was hingis - & apart from grass, she had a winning record in their other slam meetings ( upto the stabbing )

                give her the belgians, venus sisters, russians of today & see how well her "backhand" stands up

                >I urge you to go look at tapes of Pete in the last few years and
                >examine his backhand and you will see what I mean.<

                boy

                i've seen every one of his big matches since '90 !

                don't tell me what i need to see !

                >I was never a Pete fan till
                >post 1999 and I wanted him to win a few more for nostalgia when people started
                >to write him off. The bugbear was the backhand when pressured. If he wasnt able
                >to protect it, he lost.<

                crap

                pistol had winning records ( on hard ) against agassi, courier, brugera,kafelnikov,muster,kuerten,moya - all french open champions & most of them ( if not all ) with double-handed backhands

                his single-handed back-hand stood up to all of theirs & usually destroyed them in the end

                >On the contrary, I have seen Fed go toe to toe with the
                >double fisted clay courters<

                & the 2 class clay-courters he came up against in french in last 2 y - kuerten & nadal whupped him

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                • #53
                  Re: Sampras v Federer

                  El D.

                  Please try to open your mind.

                  It is obvious that you like and know about tennis.

                  This is a discussion (back and forth), not a dictation!

                  You say FF (Steffi) did not have much competition???? You forgot Seles, even though some of her best years were stolen from her. Even if not, FF would have won at least say 15 slams!!!!

                  I could say the same about PP (Pete). He never faced a Federer at his peak, who would have dented his chances dramatically. Also, if Pousis wasnt so injury prone, perhaps Wimbledon would have been a LOT tougher.

                  PP could serve, could 2nd serve, had a great forehand and could volley. His backhand, NAAAAH.

                  I know you have seen the matches and I was asking you to go back and look for something specifically...with new eyes. You may just see something you missed.

                  Regading the whip, tell me who can do it with the facility of Serena and Fed. I dont mean just a cross-court, I mean a powerfully whipped X-court from deep, picked up with little preparartion and angled so that it ends on in the side fence!!!!

                  FYI, dont call me boy...I am probably older than you are! Show some respect.LoL

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                  • #54
                    Re: Sampras v Federer

                    >You
                    >say FF (Steffi) did not have much competition???? You forgot Seles, even though
                    >some of her best years were stolen from her.<

                    that was typo - it meant to say seles - you can work that out from the "stabbing" comment


                    >I could say the same about PP (Pete). He never faced
                    >a Federer at his peak, who would have dented his chances dramatically.<

                    pistol faced 9+ french open champs ( forgot to add lendl & chang ), stich,edberg,becker & rafter, all playing at/near peak

                    that is not competition fed has faced

                    >Also, if
                    >Pousis wasnt so injury prone, perhaps Wimbledon would have been a LOT
                    >tougher.

                    PP could serve, could 2nd serve, had a great forehand and could
                    >volley. His backhand, NAAAAH.<

                    pp ?

                    1 trick pony - his name doesn't deserve to be included with the likes of the above

                    if he's the best you can come up with, i'd find some other sport to talk about

                    >I know you have seen the matches and I was
                    >asking you to go back and look for something specifically...with new eyes. You
                    >may just see something you missed<

                    nope

                    after 12y off watching him, i missed nothing !

                    >Regading the whip, tell me who can do it
                    >with the facility of Serena and Fed. I dont mean just a cross-court, I mean a
                    >powerfully whipped X-court from deep, picked up with little preparartion and
                    >angled so that it ends on in the side fence!!!!<

                    clisters,sharapova,henin,davenport,venus, kuznetsova

                    >FYI, dont call me boy...I am
                    >probably older than you are! Show some respect.LoL<

                    i doubt it, boy !

                    stop babbling - you earn respect - you don't get given it !

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                    • #55
                      Re: Sampras v Federer

                      El D,

                      We are having a nice Tennis discussion and you keep having to ruin it with the snide remarks!!!!

                      Stick to the sport for a change.

                      PP is PISTOL PETE, not Mark P.

                      I mentioned Pousis, as like Goran, he was a wimbledon specialist. If he didnt have the injuries, he career would have been much different. He, not Crafter, was the Aussie Junior superstar!

                      You mention Davenport for the X-court whip???? Hahahahaha. She cant even move properly, a prereq. to execute this killer stroke!!! Get real here, you obviously dont understand the stroke I am talking about.

                      12 years of watching Pete? Is that the extent of your tennis watching? Hell, Mac had a far better backhand, as did most of the previous generation. I wont even mention Lendl!!!!!

                      If you keep calling me boy, I will have to refer to you as foetus!!! LoL

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                      • #56
                        Re: Sampras v Federer

                        >Stick to the sport for a change.

                        PP is PISTOL
                        >PETE, not Mark P.<

                        i gave up after your drivel about philopousis

                        >I mentioned Pousis, as like Goran, he was a wimbledon
                        >specialist. If he didnt have the injuries, he career would have been much
                        >different. He, not Crafter, was the Aussie Junior superstar!<

                        philopousis was too bulky & too slow to be any consistent threat - if a guy coud get him into a 3 or 4 stroke rally, philopous woud crumble

                        >You mention
                        >Davenport for the X-court whip???? Hahahahaha. She cant even move properly, a
                        >prereq. to execute this killer stroke!!! Get real here, you obviously dont
                        >understand the stroke I am talking about.<

                        i doubt you even know what you're talking about !

                        if it was in davenport's firing line, she coud blast that forehand cross-court, down the line, or anywhere she wished !

                        she was that good !

                        >12 years of watching Pete? Is that
                        >the extent of your tennis watching?<

                        moron

                        pistol had 12y peak career - '90 - '02

                        i didn't see him play as a 12y old !

                        >Hell, Mac had a far better backhand, as did
                        >most of the previous generation. I wont even mention Lendl!!!!!<

                        how about laver & rosewall - those were better backhands - did you see those guyz on tv ???

                        i did

                        >If you keep
                        >calling me boy, I will have to refer to you as foetus!!! LoL<

                        boy

                        keep begging for that respect you crave

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                        • #57
                          Re: Sampras v Federer

                          I saw them all.

                          I was just joking with the Sampras 12 year, as I had seen previous posts that indicated you knew of the old timers. You really have a thin skin.

                          Dav. CANNOT execute the stroke I speak of, so please go watch Serena and Fed to see what I mean. They go after these shots, they dont wait or balls to come close to them and its placement more than power that make these strokes unplayable.

                          I crave nothing, so please dont go there. Hahahah

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                          • #58
                            Re: Sampras v Federer

                            Very entertaining back and fourth between Eldrick and Infama. While Eldrick's early attacking style proved deadly in the early going, the more patient return game, with some well-placed lobs from Infama is proving to be quite worthy, and has drawn the match even.

                            two sets all.

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                            • #59
                              Re: Sampras v Federer

                              Cyril,

                              Hahahahah.

                              Actually the score is decided already by the cogent arguments of Pat Cash.

                              The thing about Eldy is that he concentrates too much on the insults and not enough on advancing his rationale. Indeed, I am no closer to 'getting' what he has to say. He brngs no real insight to the table (though I dont doubt that he may have some).


                              For example, WHY does he consider PP more worthy of the GOAT title than the Fedex??? I dont mean the shallow comparison of who they faced. That is not within their control. The GOAT may face the weakest field of all, that does not diminish his GOATishness (LoL). That is not to say that the FEDEX does not have tough opposition as I have shown.

                              I rather would like to analyse the respective games and see what weapons and weaknesses they have. Short of a head to head series, we have little else.

                              The French Open has become tougher over the years as all the Spanish and most of the Latinos peak just for that tourney!!! The Spanish Armada is relatively new and has probaly gotten tougher, while the South Americans have risen like an rocket! Except for Rios and Nalbandian, they all have 100% clay court dedication and think that grass is just for cows.

                              BTW, speaking of Rios, that was a guy who could volley (hands almost as good as Mac). Is Larry Stefanky (sp?) the best volley coach out there?

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                              • #60
                                Re: Sampras v Federer

                                >Dav. CANNOT execute the stroke I speak of, so please go watch
                                >Serena and Fed to see what I mean. They go after these shots, they dont wait or
                                >balls to come close to them and its placement more than power that make these
                                >strokes unplayable.<

                                serena & venus play that shot out of desperation & only have limited success with it - there's a damn good chance they'll net it or hit it out

                                for their undoubted power ( without question the best 3 or 4y ago, now more just part of the pack ), they didn't have any tennis "brain" ( due mostly to the fact "dick" williams taught them completely out of a book & didn't send them to a coach in their early teens to tighten up their serve & teach them some court nuance

                                nuance which meant that with their power, the woud dominate rallies with combo of power, spins, short balls, drops, move opponents around unexpectedly & finish them off easily in rallies as a result

                                instead, all they learnt was a power game, which if an opponent was willing & coud trade ( plenty about nowdayz ), all of a sudden, the opponent puts in the good, intelligent shot we see the venus sisters scurrying along the back of the court chasing the ball, whizzing along side to side like a demented typewriter printer with everyone marvelling at their athleticism & saying what fantastic retrieving skills they've got, & what great occasional forehands they have, etc.

                                these retrieving skills, whilst keeping them in the point & perhaps even winning it & further the game/match, was nothing that ever impressed me - great athleticism, but with 1/2 a tennis brain, the shoud never have been put in that position in the 1st place !

                                their retrieving was undignified & just sign of an inability to have out-thought the opponent earlier

                                with power & brains, they shouda dominated from the get-go, with them in control at the back of the court & their opponent doing all the rerieving & then messing up as they didn't have the sisters' athleticism

                                so don't bs me about some "magical" forehand - mostly just a low percentage desperation shot played at a full stretch, a position they shoud never have been in the 1st place !

                                davenport has a tennis brain & rarely had to play this shot at full-stretch as she had the nuance to control the rally better & play it in a good, controlled position, with feet properly positioned & far greater chance of success with the shot


                                >I crave nothing, so please dont go there. Hahahah<

                                i'll go wherever i damn please !

                                keep begging for your "respect" - it's a loser's request, which no one else on this forum has ever asked for

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