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  • #16
    Originally posted by skyin' brian
    but yeah, pay me the league minimum of 400k(in the ballpark of a certain CEO i have heard of) and ill go to work in whatever you ask me to
    I'm assuming most of us are paid less than the league minimum of 400K, and we don't cry about any kind of "-ism" when we're told our office has a business casual dress code.

    The backlash by the players has nothing to do with race and everything to do with being young men who have not heard the word "no" applied to them since 10th grade or earlier.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by tafnut
      Originally posted by KevinM
      Still hard to see how you can level racial accusations here.

      You're right - it's not really race - it's about sub-cultures - The Suits vs. the Players. The Suits want the players to look 'presentable' by THEIR standards, not the players' standards. So basically they are saying the players don't have enough sense to dress 'properly'. What the suits don't get is that the players ARE dressing properly for THEIR sub-culture. I don't like or get THAT look either, but that doesn't mean I need to pass judgement on their tastes. IF (!) there was ANY fans that complained, it was not anyone who identified with the players' sub-culture (i.e., the people who dress like that) which is, of course, a key sub-set of ALL the NBA fans. I don't like tattoos or piercings either, but that's MY problem, not the problem of the people who sport them. Go to any college campus and you'll see that both are the Norm. I guess I just have a problem with one group of people telling another (adult!) group how to present themselves. On the other hand, the NBA is OWNED by The Suits and the players had better understand that little subtlety.

      The executives of a corporation decide what the standards will be - not the rank-and-file employees. The fact that the NBA dress code is inconsistent with the players' "sub-culture" is irrelevant. David Stern is the CEO and that means he has the authority to implement a dress code in the workplace. If you decide to cater to every individual person's "sub-culture," no dress code in any workplace would ever work.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by No Name
        David Stern is the CEO and that means he has the authority to implement a dress code in the workplace. If you decide to cater to every individual person's "sub-culture," no dress code in any workplace would ever work.
        Because he has the AUTHORITY to do does NOT mean he SHOULD. How many examples can you think of where people how misused their power? This is NOT a big deal, so why is he making a Big Deal out of it? The players are just playing the same 'game' he is. His lack of respect of the players is obvious. If he could see things form their perspective, he'd see what a Blowhard he is. If I were in their shoes, I'd acquiesce precisely BECAUSE it is no big deal, but did he need to do it this way? No.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by No Name
          Originally posted by tafnut
          Originally posted by KevinM
          Still hard to see how you can level racial accusations here.

          You're right - it's not really race - it's about sub-cultures - The Suits vs. the Players. The Suits want the players to look 'presentable' by THEIR standards, not the players' standards. So basically they are saying the players don't have enough sense to dress 'properly'. What the suits don't get is that the players ARE dressing properly for THEIR sub-culture. I don't like or get THAT look either, but that doesn't mean I need to pass judgement on their tastes. IF (!) there was ANY fans that complained, it was not anyone who identified with the players' sub-culture (i.e., the people who dress like that) which is, of course, a key sub-set of ALL the NBA fans. I don't like tattoos or piercings either, but that's MY problem, not the problem of the people who sport them. Go to any college campus and you'll see that both are the Norm. I guess I just have a problem with one group of people telling another (adult!) group how to present themselves. On the other hand, the NBA is OWNED by The Suits and the players had better understand that little subtlety.

          The executives of a corporation decide what the standards will be - not the rank-and-file employees. The fact that the NBA dress code is inconsistent with the players' "sub-culture" is irrelevant. David Stern is the CEO and that means he has the authority to implement a dress code in the workplace. If you decide to cater to every individual person's "sub-culture," no dress code in any workplace would ever work.
          These BBall stars arent exactly what i would think of as "rank and file"

          Racist or not, this does not exactly breed diversity.

          Both sides here are out of line, but i would think that the NBA is more than its players simply because forcing players to dress "business casual" or whatever does not add any vaule to fans experiences. Remember Dennis Rodman, sometimes professionl sports are more interesting because of the Indivudials that play them and their personalities, sometimes espressed through clothing. These guys with all the "bling" obvoiusly care how they look and make an effort to look their best. why is that not enough?

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          • #20
            These NBA guys have been pampered their entire lives, at least as long as their basketball prowess became known.

            None of these guys have ever worked a 9-5 job and none will ever have to.

            If I were making 3.8 million dollars a year (NBA avg salary) to play 82-100 games and my boss asked me to put away my pimp outfits until the season was over, I'd be down at the Armani store real quick.

            When you've got professional jackasses like Iverson making 20 million annually say he;d like a clothing stipend, it's easy to realize none of these spoiled crybabies will ever get it.

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            • #21
              Kevin Willis' view on stylin...pre-David Stern dress code:

              http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketba ... tyle_x.htm

              IMHHO, leave the basketball players alone. On the other hand, golfer should be threatened with hard jail time with the way the dress on and off the course. Do they dress with the lights off?

              cman

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              • #22
                I think the dress code is OK, what's the problem with wearing a suit? I guess Stern wishes to impose a measure of professionalism upon the NBA, that seems to have been lacking lately. I see nothing wrong with that. Of course it seems that he is tryig to deemphasis the styles and tastes of the hip-hop/gangsta sub-culture that is so much a part of the NBA, and if that's his aim then so be it.

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                • #23
                  [quote=skyin' brian]
                  Originally posted by "No Name":2a654lhm
                  Originally posted by tafnut
                  Originally posted by KevinM
                  Still hard to see how you can level racial accusations here.

                  You're right - it's not really race - it's about sub-cultures - The Suits vs. the Players. The Suits want the players to look 'presentable' by THEIR standards, not the players' standards. So basically they are saying the players don't have enough sense to dress 'properly'. What the suits don't get is that the players ARE dressing properly for THEIR sub-culture. I don't like or get THAT look either, but that doesn't mean I need to pass judgement on their tastes. IF (!) there was ANY fans that complained, it was not anyone who identified with the players' sub-culture (i.e., the people who dress like that) which is, of course, a key sub-set of ALL the NBA fans. I don't like tattoos or piercings either, but that's MY problem, not the problem of the people who sport them. Go to any college campus and you'll see that both are the Norm. I guess I just have a problem with one group of people telling another (adult!) group how to present themselves. On the other hand, the NBA is OWNED by The Suits and the players had better understand that little subtlety.

                  The executives of a corporation decide what the standards will be - not the rank-and-file employees. The fact that the NBA dress code is inconsistent with the players' "sub-culture" is irrelevant. David Stern is the CEO and that means he has the authority to implement a dress code in the workplace. If you decide to cater to every individual person's "sub-culture," no dress code in any workplace would ever work.
                  These BBall stars arent exactly what i would think of as "rank and file"

                  Racist or not, this does not exactly breed diversity.

                  Both sides here are out of line, but i would think that the NBA is more than its players simply because forcing players to dress "business casual" or whatever does not add any vaule to fans experiences. Remember Dennis Rodman, sometimes professionl sports are more interesting because of the Indivudials that play them and their personalities, sometimes espressed through clothing. These guys with all the "bling" obvoiusly care how they look and make an effort to look their best. why is that not enough?[/quote:2a654lhm]


                  It doesn't breed diversity? Just a guess, but I don't think the NBA will turn into an all-white league anytime soon.

                  And your assertion that the personalities make it interesting is your opinion. On the other hand, there are alot of fans (myself included) who prefer watching quality basketball to watching clowns like Rodman. If dressing in a professional manner will motivate players to play more like part of a team, it might add some value to my fan experience, if not yours.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Out of proportion

                    For those who have to shop for clothes, could be a pain in the neck. Not all of the players make a lot of money, or manage it well. I do not like it, unless the players had shirts that puts down ethnicity, race, gender, etc.

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                    • #25
                      Whether is was or was not meant to be racist, the bottom line is that of course it is.

                      I loved Ron Artest's comment that went something like this: "I've got a nice yellow shirt with a green collar that sparkles that I can't wait to wear."
                      "Who's Kidding Who?"

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                      • #26
                        Re: Out of proportion

                        Not all of the players make a lot of money

                        I guess "a lot" is a relative term- my understanding is that the low end of NBA players is still pretty well off- certialy a lot more than I make. I also have a dress code at work, but am supplied with the required shirt.

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                        • #27
                          [quote="mrbowie"]Whether is was or was not meant to be racist, the bottom line is that of course it is.

                          I disagree. It's cultural. If the ABA had banned afros in the 1970s, I think that would have been racist. Who cares about afros? But the hip-hop/rap subculture from which the NBA is obviously trying to dissociate itself has high on its marquee disrespect for anyone other than oneself, advocacy of treating women as objects, advocacy of violence toward and rape of women, and advocacy of violence against uniformed officers of the law. Enough said. Big ABA afros? Great. Tommie Smith and John Carlos on the 1968 Mexico City medal podium with raised fists? Great. Rosa Parks? Great. Violence and guns and complete disregard for all but one's own selfish interests and utter lack of humility about anything? That's what the hip-hop/gangsta/rap subculture(s) represent to many (?most) of us not involved in it and David Stern is entitled to try and shed that portion of the NBA's image. The dress code is OK.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Out of proportion

                            Originally posted by Helen S
                            Not all of the players make a lot of money
                            really? from insidehoops.com we see that the poorest stiff in the league gets almost $400K this year):

                            Years in NBA 2005-06 2006-07 2007-08 2008-09 2009-10 2010-11
                            0 398,762 412,718 427,163 442,114 457,588 473,604
                            1 641,748 664,209 687,456 711,517 736,420 762,195
                            2 719,373 744,551 770,610 797,581 825,497 854,389
                            3 745,248 771,331 798,328 826,269 855,189 885,120
                            4 771,123 798,112 826,046 854,957 884,881 915,852
                            5 835,810 865,063 895,341 926,678 959,111 992,680
                            6 900,498 932,015 964,636 998,398 1,033,342 1,069,509
                            7 965,185 998,967 1,033,930 1,070,118 1,107,572 1,146,337
                            8 1,029,873 1,065,918 1,103,225 1,141,838 1,181,803 1,223,166
                            9 1,035,000 1,071,225 1,108,718 1,147,523 1,187,686 1,229,255
                            10+ 1,138,500 1,178,348 1,219,590 1,262,275 1,306,455 1,352,181

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                            • #29
                              i worked as a janitor for 8 bucks an hour and i HAD to wear a uniform. the only uniform i would enjoy wearing is the one required by the porn industry :P :wink:
                              phsstt!

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                              • #30
                                To clarify, I was quoting tlb747 who said they don' t all make alot of money.
                                I knew they did.

                                squakee, what uniform is that? acrylic high heels?

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