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  • #31
    Originally posted by dukehjsteve View Post
    I continue to object to any protest by Women's Tennis for equal pay, as they only play 2 of 3 sets instead of 3 of 5. If they want equal pay, play equal # of sets.
    Well, then we should be paying the marathon runners 420 times what the 100m sprinters get..

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    • #32
      Comments regarding "skill" aside, US Soccer was on pretty firm ground regarding pay equality, considering the womens team has been paid more in total and per game, not to mention the fact US Soccer heavily subsidizes the NWSL. Today the federal judge agreed.

      https://www.espn.com/espnw/sports/st...espn:frontpage
      There are no strings on me

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      • #33
        the judge partially agreed: thew out the unequal pay part but left intact a civil rights claim:

        https://www.insidethegames.biz/artic...-equality-case

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        • #34
          Originally posted by gh View Post
          the judge partially agreed: thew out the unequal pay part but left intact a civil rights claim:
          From what I read they negotiated a different CBA than the men, but then sued to get the men's CBA after the fact, which they had rejected for themselves. If true, no wonder the judge threw it out.

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          • #35
            US Soccer president asks men, women to equalize FIFA money (yahoo.com)

            The head of the U.S. Soccer Federation asked the unions of the women’s and men’s national teams to agree to equalize FIFA's World Cup prize money on their own.

            USSF President Cindy Parlow Cone sent an open letter Friday making the request, which called for the men’s national team to allow the USSF to reallocate a portion of FIFA’s World Cup payments to the federation to the women’s team.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by TN1965 View Post
              US Soccer president asks men, women to equalize FIFA money
              I can't see how the USMNT will defend against this set play . . .

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              • #37
                US Soccer says it has offered men, women identical contracts (yahoo.com)

                The U.S. Soccer Federation said it had offered identical contract proposals Tuesday to the players' associations for the men's and women's national teams, and the governing body said it would refuse to agree to a deal in which World Cup prize money is not equalized.

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                • #38
                  That is nuts.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
                    That is nuts.
                    Sometimes it takes an out-there decision to do the right thing. Although the pots of money are nowhere near the same, throwing it all into one pot before divvying it up sends a powerful message that even latent sexism is unacceptable.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Atticus View Post
                      Sometimes it takes an out-there decision to do the right thing. Although the pots of money are nowhere near the same, throwing it all into one pot before divvying it up sends a powerful message that even latent sexism is unacceptable.
                      The right thing....always defined by the US....

                      Never going to happen..... women's soccer isn't even a thing in a large majority of countries that have men teams...

                      Another American centered idea...that isn't going anywhere.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
                        Another American-centered idea...that isn't going anywhere.
                        Wow! Just . . . wow . . .

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post

                          The right thing....always defined by the US....

                          Never going to happen..... women's soccer isn't even a thing in a large majority of countries that have men teams...

                          Another American centered idea...that isn't going anywhere.
                          The US soccer federation can take the FIFA money and divide it equally among the US men's and US women's teams without cooperation from other countries.

                          However, now that the US women have been bringing in more revenue than the men in recent years, the women might not want that.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by 18.99s View Post
                            However, now that the US women have been bringing in more revenue than the men in recent years, the women might not want that.
                            That's an unsupportable statement without giving context to the sources of income. This article highlights how murky the whole issue is.

                            https://www.politifact.com/article/2...-revenue-get-/

                            Which is why equalizing pay should be such an easy and right thing to do.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Atticus View Post
                              That's an unsupportable statement without giving context to the sources of income. This article highlights how murky the whole issue is.

                              https://www.politifact.com/article/2...-revenue-get-/
                              The article agrees that the women brought in slightly more revenue than the men, at least when comparing sources that can be attributed to one gender or the other.

                              The murky part is who got paid more as players.

                              If the revenue difference were more obvious, like 60% women to 40% men, the women would not want to split the money equally.
                              Last edited by 18.99s; 09-15-2021, 06:12 PM.

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                              • #45
                                Comparing the revenue between the 2 national teams is problematic. The women can play anywhere in the biggest stadiums and know that almost all the fans will be US supporters.

                                The men meanwhile have to play in out of the way small stadiums to make sure they get a friendly crowd. If they played Mexico in Soldier Field 75% of the fans would be cheering their opponents.

                                And even then the revenues are identical...

                                Specifically, from 2016-18, the women’s team brought in $50.8 million in revenue, while the men’s team brought in $49.9 million. That’s a difference of less than 2% in the women’s favor.

                                Looking year by year, 2016 was actually the only year in which the women’s team generated more revenue from games — $24.11 million, compared to $22.24 million for the men. In 2017, both teams brought in about the same revenue at $14.61 million, and in 2018, the men’s team brought in $13 million compared to the women’s $12.03 million.

                                This pattern marked a reversal from prior years: In 2014 and 2015, the men’s team earned $8.31 million and $11.71 million more than the women’s team, respectively.

                                Last edited by Conor Dary; 09-15-2021, 06:13 PM.

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