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  • As I worked out in my Gym I saw a symbol of the ignorance of covid. A mask lying on the floor. Who was that masked man/woman? Since I'm in the 1 percentile in wearing one, the mystery will remain a mystery. This after watching 2 men having a loud conversation a foot apart for about ten minutes.

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    • Originally posted by jeremyp View Post
      Still the lack of a large death toll in Africa is a puzzlement. Could it be the youth factor? Average age 19.7? Life span 62.
      I did read an article about 2 months ago that suggested that one reason that Africa has been less affected than other continents may be that the older, more vulnerable, people tend to live in remote villages rather than the major cities or ports where the virus is more likely to be widespread. Apparently, people often go to the cities for work but return to villages after their working years.

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      • Originally posted by jeremyp View Post

        "doctors are convinced that deaths have also gone uncounted. Dr. John Black, the only infectious-disease specialist for adults in Port Elizabeth, said he and other physicians feared that many people were dying at home. Indeed, a government analysis showed that there had been more than twice as many excess deaths as could be explained by confirmed cases in South Africa. “We don’t know what the real number is,” he said."
        I'm sure this is the case in most under developed countries. Not to mention India which is a developed country perched on top of an undeveloped one. Only 20% of deaths given a medical diagnosis.
        Still the lack of a large death toll in Africa is a puzzlement. Could it be the youth factor? Average age 19.7? Life span 62.
        It is not hard to achieve good results if you don't test

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        • From my local SW Florida paper

          "Lee County began distributing a COVID-19 vaccine Monday morning to people age 65 and older. With less than a 24-hour notice, hundreds of people lined up outside the Estero Park and Recreation Center for a chance to be vaccinated against the disease.

          The Estero site reached capacity just before noon,


          300 doses per site, only 2 near me. Only 231k folks over 65. Are we going to shlep out there at 8 a.m. to possibly get a vaccine. NOT! I'll wait until my CVS has a plan.
          Last edited by jeremyp; 12-28-2020, 09:09 PM.

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          • Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
            Meanwhile....in not surprising news....


            Russia admits to world’s third-worst Covid-19 death toll

            More than 186,000 Russians have died due to coronavirus, three times more than previously reported


            https://amp.theguardian.com/world/20...mpression=true
            Now if only the other countries would fess up. India? Brazil? Mexico?
            Russia now #3 in per pop deaths behind Belgium and Peru. And this country claimed a vaccine months ago? Maybe the NSA hacked their data base and screwed with it
            Last edited by jeremyp; 12-28-2020, 09:50 PM.

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            • Originally posted by jeremyp View Post
              From my local SW Florida paper

              "Lee County began distributing a COVID-19 vaccine Monday morning to people age 65 and older. With less than a 24-hour notice, hundreds of people lined up outside the Estero Park and Recreation Center for a chance to be vaccinated against the disease.

              300 doses per site, only 2 near me. Only 231k folks over 65. Are we going to shlep out there at 8 a.m. to possibly get a vaccine. NOT! I'll wait until my CVS has a plan.
              I would assume these folks don't have an HMO medical plan. Must be using their Medicare/Medicaid or private insurance as the source that will be billed

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              • Meanwhile....The New Yorker has a 40 page article on the virus out...

                https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...term=TNY_Daily

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                • Disney employee, 33, says she got Covid vaccine – as hospital admits giving doses to non-healthcare workers

                  A Disney employee in California bragged that she got a shot of the Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine early due to her husband's aunt being a "big deal" at the Redlands Community Hospital outside Los Angeles. The woman got the vaccine despite not being a frontline health care worker.

                  https://www.yahoo.com/news/disney-em...154729352.html

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                  • Originally posted by TN1965 View Post
                    Disney employee, 33, says she got Covid vaccine – as hospital admits giving doses to non-healthcare workers...]
                    I'm the last one to support abuse of privilege, but I can buy the hospital's explanation:

                    <<the hospital started their vaccinations on December 18. “After physicians and staff who expressed interest in the vaccine were administered, there were several doses left. Because the reconstituted Pfizer vaccine must be used within hours or be disposed of, several doses were administered to non-front line healthcare workers so that valuable vaccine would not be thrown away," the hospital's statement continued.>>

                    assuming it's true, of course.

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                    • Originally posted by gh View Post
                      <<the hospital started their vaccinations on December 18. “After physicians and staff who expressed interest in the vaccine were administered, there were several doses left. Because the reconstituted Pfizer vaccine must be used within hours or be disposed of, several doses were administered to non-front line healthcare workers so that valuable vaccine would not be thrown away," the hospital's statement continued.>>
                      Not buying it. There had to be plenty of options for more 'essential' people to get those doses on short notice.

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                      • UCHealth vaccinated 17,600 employees state wide in eight days ending Christmas Eve. They probably did 4000 here in Colorado Springs. The local clinic was going 6 AM to 10 PM. At the end of the day, they were usually one or two or three stray doses (five or six doses per vial). If no one else was scheduled to show up and if one or two of the people working in the clinic had not had the shot, they would get it. Otherwise, they would have to waste one or two or three doses. I asked if I could bring my wife over at 10 PM one evening and if there was a stray dose, if she could get it. I was told sorry but they would not break protocol, in part because of the optics of something like that described above. While I can understand that, it also is a shame to waste any doses of the vaccine.
                        Last edited by DrJay; 12-29-2020, 03:55 AM.

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                        • Originally posted by Atticus View Post
                          Not buying it. There had to be plenty of options for more 'essential' people to get those doses on short notice.
                          Like I said above, if the clinic was going till 10 PM and there was not a warm body or two that needed a shot, it would be wasted. For the number of warm bodies present needing the vaccine to match perfectly with the number of doses coming out of the final set of vials for the day, odds would be perhaps one in five or one in six (one of you mathematics guys could see if it’s that simple).

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                          • UCHealth today started vaccinating people in the general public age 70 and over, a small pilot trial to sort out the logistics, inviting patients who are on the electronic record patient portal. One of my patients was invited to get hers tomorrow, they’re using the Moderna vaccine. Apparently they did 170 such patients at Memorial Hospital North today on the first day. I have no idea how many doses of the Moderna vaccine are coming our way, to UCHealth.

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                            • So a lot of chatter happening on the slow vaccine roll out Personally, I'm incredibly frustrated. Did we not know that vaccines were coming? Is vaccine administration a surprise? Several complex issues so lets break things down a bit Warning, this is a bit of a rant Thread



                              Any of this familiar? Like our national testing debacle, being repeated


                              https://mobile.twitter.com/ashishkjh...68397084053505

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                              • Not what The New Yorker article was all about but a number of Sunday Morning shows (and weekday morning news shows) have had their "the year in review" type of shows. Why the hell would anyone want to sit through all this shit again?

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