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  • Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
    Get vaccinated and the booster....the rest is theater.

    I was in a room with 300 people from all over the country in Florida 3 weeks ago and no one wore masks. I wasn't worried at all.
    Good for you.

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    • Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
      Get vaccinated and the booster....the rest is theater.

      I was in a room with 300 people from all over the country in Florida 3 weeks ago and no one wore masks. I wasn't worried at all.
      You got the booster?

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      • I did....

        People want to wear masks and avoid others fine. But it is so tiresome to hear complaints about what everyone else is or isn't doing. Oregon just this week got rid of the mask order on outdoor events....beyond idiotic.

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        • Originally posted by bambam1729 View Post

          I've not seen/heard that either although I didn't look for it a lot. I just assumed it was another 10-14 days before the booster was at full effectiveness. But knowing a little bit (emphasize little) it is possible it is slightly faster, perhaps 7-10 days for the booster.
          surely there must be an anamnestic coefficient at work.

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          • Originally posted by gh View Post

            surely there must be an anamnestic coefficient at work.
            I've read lots of info that says the boosters provide an anamnestic coefficiency in the amount of immunity. But nothing about whether the lag period before full effectiveness is shorter than for the original vaccine(s).

            I'll give it a couple of weeks before adopting the Conor Dary "devil-may-care" activity program.

            Last edited by J Rorick; 11-26-2021, 05:30 PM.

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            • Originally posted by J Rorick View Post

              I've read lots of info that says the boosters provide an anamnestic coefficiency in the amount of immunity. But nothing about whether the lag period before full effectiveness is shorter than for the original vaccine(s).

              I'll give it a couple of weeks before adopting the Conor Dary "devil-may-care" activity program.
              https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb_g4jkPqUw

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              • Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
                I did....

                People want to wear masks and avoid others fine. But it is so tiresome to hear complaints about what everyone else is or isn't doing. Oregon just this week got rid of the mask order on outdoor events....beyond idiotic.
                Meaning it should have been earlier or they shouldn’t have done it? I’ve quit judging the more prudent states. The situation is so dynamic and the forces in play are so adamant that I pity someone trying to make responsible health policy in this country. The numbers are climbing for new infections so we know the death rate will start to go back up shortly.

                From this morning’s news, it looks like, we may get to do it all over again.

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                • Over a year ago it was known infections in outdoor settings was very low....and that was before vaccines. Oregon was the only state still demanding masks outdoors.... stupid...

                  The Minnesota governor had it right ....and opening after lockdowns ...'we aren't going back.'

                  Oregon has no endgame......just a governor who has no clue what she is doing...

                  Get vaccinated and the booster...
                  Last edited by Conor Dary; 11-26-2021, 07:58 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
                    Get vaccinated and the booster....the rest is theater.

                    I was in a room with 300 people from all over the country in Florida 3 weeks ago and no one wore masks. I wasn't worried at all.
                    Ditto on the first part but not Ditto on the 2d part. Wore a mask when getting food in line, ran into a crowd of 50+ blocking the hallway back, nary a mask to be seen. Waited a few minutes then growled "excuse me" and basically forced my way through. A woman at my table was talking about having had a J&J vaccine and not being able to find booster, I told her my story (J&J +Moderna), but she was having none of it. "They're completely different and shouldn't be mixed. " I told her to ask her M.D. My guess is she won't.

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                    • American vaccine misinformation and extremism is infiltrating New Zealand (yahoo.com)

                      As New Zealand shifts to a policy of “living with the virus,” residents accustomed to living virtually Covid-free for most of the pandemic are being confronted by rising case numbers and widening vaccine mandates. Opposition to vaccination as well as frustration with ongoing pandemic restrictions is fueling a small but vocal protest movement inspired in part by American politics.

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                      • Originally posted by TN1965 View Post
                        American vaccine misinformation and extremism is infiltrating New Zealand (yahoo.com)

                        As New Zealand shifts to a policy of “living with the virus,” residents accustomed to living virtually Covid-free for most of the pandemic are being confronted by rising case numbers and widening vaccine mandates. Opposition to vaccination as well as frustration with ongoing pandemic restrictions is fueling a small but vocal protest movement inspired in part by American politics.
                        Unfortunately, this is correct as there are several American anti vaxxers in NZ with media driven high profiles preying on the vaccine hesitant.

                        Our current fully vaccinated 2 shot rate is now at 85% of those eligible - excludes children under 12.

                        The overall Maori rate is only about 67% as there is massive distrust of the Government by young Maori. This is not a party political distrust but more of a racial divide.

                        Pfizer booster shots start tomorrow. I am booked to get mine on 3 December.

                        The Government vaccine mandates start this week. To be able to participate in many activities, occupations, leaving Auckland, domestic flights, one must present their covid-19 vaccine pass which is issued by the Government to those fully vaccinated.

                        The theory being that this will "force" most of the vaccine hesitant to become vaccine compliant.

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                        • Meanwhile in Leipzig Germany


                          "We are certain that the fourth wave is going to be a nightmare,” says Sylvia Köppen, head nurse at the Interdisciplinary Surgical Intensive Care Unit (IOI).
                          "It’s going to be a catastrophe," says Andreas Knauth, a nurse specialized in intensive care and anesthesiology.
                          "It just going to be terrible," says Anke Schrötter, also a specialist, who has been working in health care for 18 years.
                          DER SPIEGEL spent three days with her and her colleagues in a station that has already reached its limits. It is a place where the fear of what lies ahead in the coming months is at least as great as their incomprehension for a society that is simply carrying on as if the coronavirus were history.

                          "One thing we have learned is that COVID is an asshole," says Knauth, just beginning his third early shift in a row. He has two more ahead of him. The rings under his eyes tell you all you need to know about his work schedule: four late shifts, then a day off, five early shifts, two late, two early. And any time he doesn’t have off is full of stress. "You can have the perfect patient for seven hours, with all the values stable and everything going well. And then COVID will just rip him away."
                          https://www.spiegel.de/international...f-60a6442b1235
                          Last edited by jeremyp; 11-28-2021, 07:04 PM.

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                          • JOHANNESBURG, Nov 28 (Reuters) - A South African doctor who was one of the first to suspect a different coronavirus strain among patients said on Sunday that symptoms of the Omicron variant were so far mild and could be treated at home.

                            Dr. Angelique Coetzee, a private practitioner and chair of South African Medical Association, told Reuters that on Nov. 18 she noticed seven patients at her clinic who had symptoms different from the dominant Delta variant, albeit "very mild".

                            Now designated Omicron by the World Health Organization, the variant was detected and announced by South Africa's National Institute of Communicable Diseases (NICD) on Nov. 25 from samples taken from a laboratory from Nov. 14 to Nov. 16.

                            Coetzee said a patient on Nov. 18 reported at her clinic being "extremely fatigued" for two days with body aches and headache.

                            "Symptoms at that stage was very much related to normal viral infection. And because we haven't seen COVID-19 for the past eight to 10 weeks, we decided to test," she said, adding that the patient and his family turned out to be positive.

                            On the same day, more patients came in with similar symptoms, which was when she realised there was "something else going on." Since then, she's seen two to three patients "We have seen a lot of Delta patients during the third wave. And this doesn't fit in the clinical picture," she said, adding she alerted NICD on the same day with the clinical results.

                            "Most of them are seeing very, very mild symptoms and none of them so far have admitted patients to surgeries. We have been able to treat these patients conservatively at home," she said.

                            Coetzee, who is also on the Ministerial Advisory Committee on Vaccines, said unlike the Delta so far patients have not reported loss of smell or taste and there has been no major drop in oxygen levels with the new variant.

                            Her experience so far has been that the variant is affecting people who are 40 or younger. Almost half of the patients with Omicron symptoms that she treated were not vaccinated.

                            "The most predominant clinical complaint is severe fatigue for one or two days. With them, the headache and the body aches and pain."

                            https://www.reuters.com/world/africa...ms-2021-11-28/

                            Let's hope she's right. We still don't know how it will affect the elderly vaccinated.

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                            • That's just from the small sample size of omicron patients at that one clinic. Time will tell how severe it really is across a broader spectrum of patients worldwide.

                              The potential good news is that if omicron is truly and significantly less severe than delta and other widespread variants, and it is much more transmissible, it could become the dominant strain and bring about the end of the pandemic. That doesn't mean it would go away; it may still persist in the population for decades or centuries, but with deaths and hospitalizations at levels similar to the flu (usually under 50K/year deaths in the US), never threatening to overwhelm the hospitals.
                              Last edited by 18.99s; 11-29-2021, 08:40 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by 18.99s View Post
                                That's just from the small sample size of omicron patients at that one clinic. Time will tell how severe it really is across a broader spectrum of patients worldwide.

                                The potential good news is that if omicron is truly and significantly less severe than delta and other widespread variants, and it is much more transmissible, it could become the dominant strain and bring about the end of the pandemic. That doesn't mean it would go away; it may still persist in the population for decades or centuries, but with deaths and hospitalizations at levels similar to the flu (usually under 50K/year deaths in the US), never threatening to overwhelm the hospitals.
                                Good point. A nicer, kinder Covid.

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