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  • 18.99s
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    Originally posted by jeremyp View Post
    Hard data is not available and estimates vary widely, but based on published studies and their own experience treating patients, several medical specialists said 750,000 to 1.3 million patients likely remain so sick for extended periods that they can’t return to the workforce full time.

    The government calls it post-acute sequelae of SARS-CoV-2, or PASC. The National Institutes of Health is spending $1.15 billion to study the syndrome. The symptoms sometimes subside, lulling long haulers into a false sense of relief, only to come roaring back after performing simple chores like vacuuming a living room or raking leaves.
    Meanwhile, the Covid deniers continue to shout "99% survival rate! Nothing to worry about!" as if nonfatal long-term side effects of Covid are unimportant or nonexistent. Meanwhile, they're scared to take a vaccine with a 99.9999% survival rate.

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  • jeremyp
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    Hard data is not available and estimates vary widely, but based on published studies and their own experience treating patients, several medical specialists said 750,000 to 1.3 million patients likely remain so sick for extended periods that they can’t return to the workforce full time.

    The government calls it post-acute sequelae of SARS-CoV-2, or PASC. The National Institutes of Health is spending $1.15 billion to study the syndrome. The symptoms sometimes subside, lulling long haulers into a false sense of relief, only to come roaring back after performing simple chores like vacuuming a living room or raking leaves.

    But many patients applying for disability insurance benefits are initially denied and require lengthy appeals, according to patients, doctors and lawyers, in part because the medical community is still grappling with how to diagnose their symptoms.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...rk-unemployed/
    Last edited by jeremyp; 12-09-2021, 08:04 PM.

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  • jeremyp
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    Meanwhile in Michigan

    Recently a patient in his 70s came seeking care at the small rural hospital in West Michigan where I’ve worked as an emergency physician for two decades. He had tested positive for the coronavirus earlier in the week, was running a high fever and struggled to breathe. When asked if he’d been vaccinated, he snapped back, “I don’t approve of the vaccine.”

    A few days later, a young patient sick with Covid-19 was admitted with dangerously low blood oxygen levels. His spouse and infant child came in to say goodbye just before he was sedated and intubated. “I don’t think I’ll see you again,” he said. He died before the end of the week. He was unvaccinated.

    As of last Monday, nine hospitals in Michigan were 100 percent full, and at least 20 others were at or above 90 percent capacity. Statewide, nearly one in four hospital patients has a confirmed or suspected case of Covid-19. In the last few weeks, my hospital has been consistently at or near capacity and nearly every day the vast majority of those patients are sick with Covid-19. Nearly all have been unvaccinated.

    NYT

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  • TN1965
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    Ron Johnson Insists Mouthwash Can Kill Coronavirus. A Mouthwash Company Disagrees (yahoo.com)

    Listerine has also done what it can to tamp down speculation that mouthwash is a Covid cure. The company’s website hasan entire page dedicated to explaining that “the current available data is not sufficient to support a conclusion that the use of LISTERINE mouthwash is helpful against the COVID-19 virus,” adding that Listerine is “a company firmly rooted in science.”

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  • TN1965
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    Originally posted by bambam1729 View Post

    Actually the studies have shown it is OK to do that, with the studies having been done on a single-dose vaccine (J&J, AstraZeneca) followed by a double-dose vaccine (Moderna, Pfizer). In fact these have shown that this may provide greater protection than staying with J&J or AZ vaccine for the booster. Not clear, however, if that is because Moderna and Pfizer seem to provide the most protection (in most studies), or if its because you are getting two different forms of protection by using different vaccines.
    If I am not mistaken, AZ is a double-dose vaccine.

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  • bambam1729
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    Here's a pretty good summary of the data on heterologous vaccines and boosters - from the European CDC - https://dgalerts.docguide.com/ema-an...erID=305980752

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  • bambam1729
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    Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post
    I was afraid to switch vaccines when I got my booster. I figured that if there are long-term side effects mixing vaccines would give you the worst of both worlds.
    Actually the studies have shown it is OK to do that, with the studies having been done on a single-dose vaccine (J&J, AstraZeneca) followed by a double-dose vaccine (Moderna, Pfizer). In fact these have shown that this may provide greater protection than staying with J&J or AZ vaccine for the booster. Not clear, however, if that is because Moderna and Pfizer seem to provide the most protection (in most studies), or if its because you are getting two different forms of protection by using different vaccines.

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  • jazzcyclist
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    Originally posted by jeremyp View Post
    I had no side effects from either J&j or Moderna. My daughter reacted to Moderna by sleeping for 12 hours. I can’t recall ever reacting badly to any vaccine, but I’m old.
    I was afraid to switch vaccines when I got my booster. I figured that if there are long-term side effects mixing vaccines would give you the worst of both worlds.

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  • jeremyp
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    I had no side effects from either J&j or Moderna. My daughter reacted to Moderna by sleeping for 12 hours. I can’t recall ever reacting badly to any vaccine, but I’m old.

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  • jazzcyclist
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    I got my Pfizer booster on 11/27 - no side effects other than slight arm soreness.

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  • KevinR
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    Only minor side effects; arm soreness and fatigue, but they have both faded away after 24 hours.

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  • 18.99s
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    Originally posted by KevinR View Post
    Praise the Lord, and pass the Tylenol! Just got my Moderna booster!
    Any side effects, other than the expected soreness in the injected shoulder?

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  • scottmitchell74
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    Originally posted by KevinR View Post
    Praise the Lord, and pass the Tylenol! Just got my Moderna booster!
    Yay! Christmas quotes.

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  • jeremyp
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    Originally posted by J Rorick View Post

    I wonder if it's dangerous to put your serial number out on the internet.
    Only partial

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  • KevinR
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    Praise the Lord, and pass the Tylenol! Just got my Moderna booster!

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