on coping with C19 lockdown

[Conor Dary]

For so many the no endgame in sight is the point...like no one ever got sick before Covid...

Should fully vaccinated individuals become infected, he added, they remain protected against severe disease and death, and tend to have only a mild infection.

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The results suggest even those who are fully vaccinated have a sizeable risk of becoming infected, with analysis revealing a fully vaccinated contact has a 25% chance of catching the virus from an infected household member while an unvaccinated contact has a 38% chance of becoming infected.

Evidence keeps emerging that the COVID vaccines aren't nearly as bulletproof as other vaccines like smallpox and measles. I view them as the equivalent of air bags and seat belts; they significantly reduce the chances of hospitalization and death, but you wouldn't count on them to save you in a 60 mph head-on collision, and other people's moronic behavior can still hurt you.

Living with an infected person is damn near the equivalent of a head-on collision.

However, the figures do not shed light on the severity of illness, while the team cautions these figures fall within a range of possible values, meaning the exact size of the difference is unclear."

Another gap in the information is how many in each household were living in the same room. Some people have avoided intra-household transmission by isolating the infected individual to a bedroom or basement for the duration of their illness.

[Conor Dary]

There are so many dumb theories out there it is hard to keep track.

[polevaultpower]

I don't know. They say because it's not a dead or weakened version of the virus, it doesn't count as a vaccine. 🤷♂️🤷♂️

I've been in lots of anti-vax circles and I cannot ever recall this coming up before. There are lots of established vaccines that do not contain a dead or weakened version of the virus/bacteria.... the acellular pertussis vaccine, for example.

I know there are tons of dumb arguments out there today that have no basis in reality, IDK why this one bothers me more than some of the others.

[Trickstat]

It works LIKE a vaccine (to produce antibodies against the disease), but it contains no live Covid in it at all, so it's not a vaccine. You can't 'catch' Covid from the shot.

That would mean that the smallpox vaccine which was the World's first and is the origin of the word "vaccine" from the Latin for cow is not a vaccine?

[scottmitchell74]

Every one of my old geezer buddies has had the vaccine and the booster. Every one of them does not believe in Global warming. Apparently there's SCIENCE and then there's "LIB science."

Yes, to borrow a phrase, we Conservatives are not a monolith. 😀🤷♂️

[jeremyp]

I don't know.


I don't know. They say because it's not a dead or weakened version of the virus, it doesn't count as a vaccine. 🤷♂️🤷♂️

There's also great concern about future consequences. It's really quite bizarre. Most of the guys I work with are Conservatives, and the vaccine rate amongst us is about 50-50. On this one issue it's like sub-tribes have formed. They are reading some weird dark web stuff, and it's frustrating to talk to them. They are all over the spectrum on the education scale as well.

For some, I'm sure, the mandate is the sticking point, and I get that. I really do. But to me this isn't a hill to die on. I'll die on other hills.

Every one of my old geezer buddies has had the vaccine and the booster. Every one of them does not believe in Global warming. Apparently there's SCIENCE and then there's "LIB science."

[jeremyp]

And on the "Don't get too complacent" side:

"Writing in the Lancet, researchers from a number of institutions including Imperial College London and the UK Health Security Agency (HSA) report how they analysed data from 204 household contacts of 138 people infected with the Delta variant.

Of these contacts, who were recruited within five days of their household member showing symptoms and were tested daily for 14 days, 53 went on to become infected, 31 of whom were fully vaccinated and 15 were unvaccinated.

The results suggest even those who are fully vaccinated have a sizeable risk of becoming infected, with analysis revealing a fully vaccinated contact has a 25% chance of catching the virus from an infected household member while an unvaccinated contact has a 38% chance of becoming infected.

However, the figures do not shed light on the severity of illness, while the team cautions these figures fall within a range of possible values, meaning the exact size of the difference is unclear."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...study-suggests

[Conor Dary]

I don't know.


I don't know. They say because it's not a dead or weakened version of the virus, it doesn't count as a vaccine. 🤷♂️🤷♂️

There's also great concern about future consequences. It's really quite bizarre. Most of the guys I work with are Conservatives, and the vaccine rate amongst us is about 50-50. On this one issue it's like sub-tribes have formed. They are reading some weird dark web stuff, and it's frustrating to talk to them. They are all over the spectrum on the education scale as well.

For some, I'm sure, the mandate is the sticking point, and I get that. I really do. But to me this isn't a hill to die on. I'll die on other hills.

I hear you...it is tough...

It is Fox News spreading most of the nonsense...

[scottmitchell74]

What do they think it is? Bleach?

The only thing I've seen work is a mandate... or a family member dying.

I don't know.


I don't know. They say because it's not a dead or weakened version of the virus, it doesn't count as a vaccine. 🤷♂️🤷♂️

There's also great concern about future consequences. It's really quite bizarre. Most of the guys I work with are Conservatives, and the vaccine rate amongst us is about 50-50. On this one issue it's like sub-tribes have formed. They are reading some weird dark web stuff, and it's frustrating to talk to them. They are all over the spectrum on the education scale as well.

For some, I'm sure, the mandate is the sticking point, and I get that. I really do. But to me this isn't a hill to die on. I'll die on other hills.

[Conor Dary]

You're too quick on the gun to jump down people's throat. It's the opposite, they're saying it's not really a vaccine. I left the blank space to represent the varying things they say it is...I'm not informed enough to explain the difference.

What do they think it is? Bleach?

The only thing I've seen work is a mandate... or a family member dying.

[scottmitchell74]

If someone thinks vaccine is an evil word they are a complete idiot.

You're too quick on the gun to jump down people's throat. It's the opposite, they're saying it's not really a vaccine. I left the blank space to represent the varying things they say it is...I'm not informed enough to explain the difference.

[Conor Dary]

You brighter minds help me rebutt coworkers who say, "it's not really a vaccine, it's a _____." I simply don't know enough. Layman's terms if possible! 🙂

If/when I get in the mood to wallow in the mire with them.

If someone thinks vaccine is an evil word they are a complete idiot.

[jeremyp]

Got myself Modernaized. Full shot since I had J&J. No side affects, other than yelling at TV talking about the 2 Democrats trying to sink the new POTUS. Oh wait I always did that! Next test is lecture series I go to that usually has 650+ old people crammed into a Church. We'll be the ones in back on the aisle.

[Atticus]

It works LIKE a vaccine (to produce antibodies against the disease), but it contains no live Covid in it at all, so it's not a vaccine. You can't 'catch' Covid from the shot.