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  • Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
    The debate over masks today is a lot like the decades-long fight to mandate seat belts

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/08/05/u...mpression=true
    Not really because seat belts and helmets for motorcyclists protect the people wearing them while non-N95 masks primarily protect other people. This is not a libertarian issue.
    Last edited by jazzcyclist; 08-10-2020, 01:21 PM.

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    • Georgia school seen in viral photo temporarily closes after 9 students and staff members test positive for coronavirus

      https://mobile.twitter.com/CBSNews/s...96507729657860

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      • meanwhile, in Mississippi.....
        Mississippi's Only Federally Recognized Indian Tribe Bears Brunt of State's COVID-19 Cases


        https://www.aarp.org/health/conditio...lid=3572661032

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        • Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post

          Not really because seat belts and helmets for motorcyclists protect the people wearing them while non-N95 masks primarily protect other people. This is not a libertarian issue.
          I have read quite a few well-sourced articles that suggests the protection works both ways. See below:

          Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease specialist at University of California, San Francisco, has been working with a team of researchers to understand how more people could go through their infections with minimal or no symptoms. About 40% of people infected with the virus don't have symptoms, according to an estimate last month by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
          Gandhi's team found masks make a difference.
          "What the mask does is really reduce the amount of virus that you get in, if you do get infected," she said. "And by reducing that ... you have a lower dose, you're able to manage it, you're able to have a calm response and you have mild symptoms or no symptoms at all."


          https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/healt...day/index.html

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          • Originally posted by Alan Sigmon View Post

            I have read quite a few well-sourced articles that suggests the protection works both ways. See below:

            Dr. Monica Gandhi, an infectious disease specialist at University of California, San Francisco, has been working with a team of researchers to understand how more people could go through their infections with minimal or no symptoms. About 40% of people infected with the virus don't have symptoms, according to an estimate last month by the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
            Gandhi's team found masks make a difference.
            "What the mask does is really reduce the amount of virus that you get in, if you do get infected," she said. "And by reducing that ... you have a lower dose, you're able to manage it, you're able to have a calm response and you have mild symptoms or no symptoms at all."


            https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/healt...day/index.html
            Yet a study of virus load of symptomatic and asymptomatic patients showed little difference?

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            • Originally posted by jeremyp View Post
              Not sure why NYC is separated out from NY. NY's #'s are minus NYC? I am sure if one did this for cities only it would be more definitive. Is there such a chart?
              Most of the deaths in almost all of the states are in the denser populated areas. This is a contagion that mostly spreads through the respiratory function. Wear your mask when in close proximity to strangers.

              Regarding NYC, one story that has not yet been fully reported is the incredible exodus out of NYC. I am seeing 100x more Empire State license plates in Massachusetts and RI than I ever saw in the 8 years prior, it is really quite remarkable and stark. I am located about 200 miles from NYC, assuming loosely speaking that this is a simple diffusion process, I would say that exodus is not an exaggeration. People are clearly fleeing the city and finding other places far from it to spend these months. Are they looking to resettle in other states, time will tell.

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              • Originally posted by user4 View Post

                Most of the deaths in almost all of the states are in the denser populated areas. This is a contagion that mostly spreads through the respiratory function. Wear your mask when in close proximity to strangers..
                Not just strangers, but anyone who is not a part of your household. Or better yet, keep your distance from anyone who is not a part of your household or make sure they wear a mask.

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                • Originally posted by gh View Post
                  meanwhile, in Mississippi.....
                  Mississippi's Only Federally Recognized Indian Tribe Bears Brunt of State's COVID-19 Cases


                  https://www.aarp.org/health/conditio...lid=3572661032
                  This Choctaw community was established by Trail of Tears emigrants from Georgia who took the southern route. Most never made it to Indian Territory. My maternal grandfather was born into this Choctaw tribe in Newton County Mississippi in 1880, migrating to Texas circa 1900 where my mother was born in 1911.

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                  • meanwhile, in Pennsylvania....

                    A 17-year-old 'Sesame Street' theme-park employee had to undergo jaw surgery after a visitor punched him over a face-mask requirement, police say


                    https://www.insider.com/sesame-stree..._8GqhsbRkC-n8c

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                    • Originally posted by Halfmiler2 View Post

                      Am I suggesting China would lie? Yes.

                      Otherwise, why did they quickly order 2 million cremation urns to Wuhan early this year.
                      Now that sounds like QAnon data to me

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                      • And the Floridian idiocy continues:
                        OCALA, Fla. – As the city of Ocala wrestles with an ordinance requiring face coverings for people inside businesses, Marion County Sheriff Billy Woods told his employees they will not wear masks at work, and visitors to his office can’t wear masks either.

                        Woods, in an email dated Aug. 11, said "my order will stand as is when you are on-duty/working as my employee and representing my Office – masks will not be worn."

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                        • NC just canceled it's 20-21 Indoor HS Season.

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                          • ‘This is no longer a debate’: Florida sheriff bans deputies, visitors from wearing masks


                            On Tuesday, as Florida set a daily record for covid-19 deaths, Marion County Sheriff Billy Woods prohibited his deputies from wearing masks at work. His order, which also applies to visitors to the sheriff’s office, carves out an exception for officers in some locations, including hospitals, and when dealing with people who are high-risk or suspected of having the novel coronavirus.

                            In an email to the sheriff’s department obtained by the Ocala Star-Banner, Woods disputed the idea that masks are a consensus approach to battling the pandemic.

                            “We can debate and argue all day of why and why not. The fact is, the amount of professionals that give the reason why we should, I can find the exact same amount of professionals that say why we shouldn’t,” Woods wrote in the email.

                            A majority of epidemiologists and other health experts say face masks and social distancing are key to slowing the spread of the novel coronavirus, which has ravaged Florida. The state, which has recorded more than 542,000 cases and more than 8,600 deaths, added 277 more deaths on Tuesday; Marion County also set a record for daily deaths on Tuesday, with 13.

                            https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ge%2Fstory-ans

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                            • Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
                              The fact is, the amount of professionals that give the reason why we should, I can find the exact same amount of professionals that say why we shouldn’t,” Woods wrote in the email.
                              No, actually, you can't.

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                              • Trini Lopez, Singing Star Who Mixed Musical Styles, Dies at 83

                                His blend of American folk, Latin and rockabilly music captivated listeners worldwide. His secret: arrangements that people could dance to. He died of Covid-19.

                                https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/a....co/ij1aP3ssrg

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