on coping with C19 lockdown

[jeremyp]

The authorities are more lenient here in the US, and that can have consequences:

Headline - New Orleans "superspreader" swingers convention leads to at least 41 COVID-19 infections

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-orl...reading-event/

Apparently they had all been tested. I guess it takes one swinging..... to screw things up.

[jazzcyclist]

If we accept that comparing Sweden to Finland and Norway is an apples to apples comparison, the verdict is in on the "lock-down" vs "let-nature-run-its-course" approach to dealing with COVID-19 and the latter is the clear loser.

Deaths per million as of December 1:

• Sweden - 657
  Finland - 72
  Norway - 62

[Trickstat]

According to BBC: "Elderly people in care homes and care home staff have been placed top of the priority list, followed by over-80s and health and care staff."

Not sure I agree with this. Nursing Homes are not awash with Covid, and proper safety procedures can and should be enforced.

I wonder if a major reason for that is to allow relatives to visit residents as I understand this has been greatly restricted. There were a lot of deaths in UK care homes during the 'first wave' in the spring.

[gh]

... Nursing Homes are not awash with Covid, and proper safety procedures can and should be enforced.

i can't cite you chapter and verse on this, but "conventional wisdom" certainly seems to be that a nursing home is a very dangerous place to be these days.

[LNO]

If we accept that comparing Sweden to Finland and Norway is an apples to apples comparison, the verdict is in on the "lock-down" vs "let-nature-run-its-course" approach to dealing with COVID-19 and the latter is the clear loser.

Deaths per million as of December 1:

• Sweden - 657
  Finland - 72
  Norway - 62

"let-nature-run-its-course" is not the Swedish approach. Here are the numbers for some countries with about the same population as Sweden:
Belgium - 1470
Czechia - 791
Hungary - 510
Austria - 376

Norway and Finland are outliers in Europe

[Tuariki]

"let-nature-run-its-course" is not the Swedish approach. Here are the numbers for some countries with about the same population as Sweden:
Belgium - 1470
Czechia - 791
Hungary - 510
Austria - 376

Norway and Finland are outliers in Europe

I think the apt and appropriate comparison is with their fellow Scandinavians

[bad hammy]

I think the apt and appropriate comparison is with their fellow Scandinavians

To round out the Scandinavians:

Denmark - 147
Iceland - 79

[gh]

To round out the Scandinavians:

Denmark - 147
Iceland - 79

Iceland is apples & oranges comparison for everything but Greenland :-)

[jazzcyclist]

"let-nature-run-its-course" is not the Swedish approach. Here are the numbers for some countries with about the same population as Sweden:
Belgium - 1470
Czechia - 791
Hungary - 510
Austria - 376

Norway and Finland are outliers in Europe

I compared Sweden to Norway and Finland because they are the most similar demographically, culturally, socio-economically, geographically, etc. Comparing Sweden to the countries you listed seems more like an apple to oranges comparison IMO.

[TN1965]

"let-nature-run-its-course" is not the Swedish approach. Here are the numbers for some countries with about the same population as Sweden:
Belgium - 1470
Czechia - 791
Hungary - 510
Austria - 376

Norway and Finland are outliers in Europe

Population Density.

Belgium - 376 / km2.
Czechia - 135 / km2.
Austria - 106 / km2.
Hungary - 105 / km2.

Sweden - 23 / km2.
Norway - 17 / km2.
Finland - 16 / km2.

[user4]

If we accept that comparing Sweden to Finland and Norway is an apples to apples comparison, the verdict is in on the "lock-down" vs "let-nature-run-its-course" approach to dealing with COVID-19 and the latter is the clear loser.

Deaths per million as of December 1:

• Sweden - 657
  Finland - 72
  Norway - 62

We should always dig a little deeper, even once we establish where the apples are. We next should look at where in Sweden these deaths occurred. If we find that per capita they are occurring in the densely populated cities, then we can establish that the real risks are not so much with the national strategy but with the epidemiological facts that attend people living elbow to elbow, regardless of the nation or continent they reside.

[jazzcyclist]

We should always dig a little deeper, even once we establish where the apples are. We next should look at where in Sweden these deaths occurred. If we find that per capita they are occurring in the densely populated cities, then we can establish that the real risks are not so much with the national strategy but with the epidemiological facts that attend people living elbow to elbow, regardless of the nation or continent they reside.

Population
Stockholm: 976K
Helsinki: 656K
Oslo: 698K

[Big Tusk]

Population
Stockholm: 976K
Helsinki: 656K
Oslo: 698K

Population density:
Stockholm: 5,190 residents per km²
Helsinki: 3,070
Oslo: 1,536

[TN1965]

For churchgoers during the Covid-19 pandemic, a deadly lesson from the 1918 flu

To gather or not to gather has been the question at the forefront of the minds of today's religious leaders and their church members.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/03/healt...ess/index.html

[gh]

meanwhile, in Hawai‘i.....

Couple who tested positive for Covid are arrested after boarding flight

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/couple-who-tested-positive-covid-arrested-after-boarding-flight-n1249753?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR2FoAlcQHOb0YHhHwYcBaUwrp7viBaTd7M6sygPcj__Bt-jFXJczKxhlGY