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  • White House aides rattled after positive coronavirus tests and officials send mixed messages on how to respond

    The White House on Saturday scrambled to deal with the fallout from two aides testing positive for the coronavirus, as officials who were potentially exposed responded differently, with some senior members of the pandemic task force self-quarantining while others planned to continue to go to work.


    • These U.S. cities are best positioned to bounce back from the coronavirus pandemic, according to Moody's


      • I suppose this should be in the Coping thread...since it really is just speculation at this point as to recovery.....some places will open sooner than others but that could all change...

        Anyways....this makes no sense...the key difference? The last recession didn't have a virus...and we have already spent 3 times on stimulus than the last one....and we are at 20% unemployment....and probably there for awhile...

        “A key difference between this recovery and the last recovery is the population density,” he explained. “It's going to have a different effect this time than it did last time.”
        Last edited by Conor Dary; 05-10-2020, 01:25 AM.


        • Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
          The Risks - Know Them - Avoid Them

          Commonality of outbreaks

          The reason to highlight these different outbreaks is to show you the commonality of outbreaks of COVID-19. All these infection events were indoors, with people closely-spaced, with lots of talking, singing, or yelling. The main sources for infection are home, workplace, public transport, social gatherings, and restaurants. This accounts for 90% of all transmission events. In contrast, outbreaks spread from shopping appear to be responsible for a small percentage of traced infections. (Ref)

          Importantly, of the countries performing contact tracing properly, only a single outbreak has been reported from an outdoor environment (less than 0.3% of traced infections). (ref)

          Please read this link to learn about the author and background to these posts. It seems many people are breathing some relief, and I’m not sure why. An epidemic curve has a relatively predictable upslope and once the peak is reached, the back slope can also be predicted. We have robust data from the outbreaks in China and Italy, that shows the backside of the mortality curve declines slowly, with deaths persisting for months. Assuming we have just crested in deaths at 70k, it is possible that we
          This may have been the single most enlightening article posted thus far regarding the virus. Very interesting.


          • Originally posted by NotDutra5 View Post

            This may have been the single most enlightening article posted thus far regarding the virus. Very interesting.
            Yes I thought so too......for example...beach openings aren't a big deal....especially if you limit large congregations...

            If you can get bars and restaurants serving outside I think that would really be doable....

            For example this is what my old hometown Hinsdale, Illinois is doing....I would do this...

            Last edited by Conor Dary; 05-10-2020, 02:46 AM.


            • After Recovery From the Coronavirus, Most People Carry Antibodies

              A new study adds to evidence of immunity among those who have already been exposed to the pathogen.

              A new study offers a glimmer of hope in the grim fight against the coronavirus: Nearly everyone who has had the disease — regardless of age, sex or severity of illness — makes antibodies to the virus.

              The study, posted online on Tuesday but not yet reviewed by experts, also hints that anyone who has recovered from infection may safely return to work — although it is unclear how long their protection might last.

              “This is very good news,” said Angela Rasmussen, a virologist at Columbia University in New York who was not involved with the work.


              • Interesting article however I will say that over the last few days I'm a bit concerned because my observations and that of my wife is that there seems to be a creeping in sentiment of "it's over" with far too many people around here.

                By the time each county shut down, there had been large reductions in activity, the cell phone data shows. People in the worst-hit counties were overwhelmingly staying home weeks before DeSantis’ order went out — and even before the much-earlier orders issued by local governments.


                • It definitely is not over....


                  • Meanwhile....

                    In Chicago and Los Angeles, Virus Spread Is Slower, but Persistent

                    Cook County, Ill., which includes Chicago, added more new cases than any other U.S. county on some recent days.


                    • nice collection of graphs:

                      Some are winning - some are not

                      which countries do best in beating covid-19?


                      • Let's all go to Belarus...
                        The eastern European nation of Belarus has shrugged off safety concerns over the coronavirus and held a full-fledged military parade to mark Victory Day. Few of the parade's tens of thousands of spectators wore masks or took other precautions. The president of Belarus has dismissed lockdowns and other strategies to curb virus infections as a “psychosis.” The number of confirmed cases in his country substantially exceeds neighboring Ukraine and Poland, which have larger populations. While opening the parade, President Alexander Lukashenko called Belarus' suffering during World War II “incomparable with any difficulties of the present day.” Russia curtailed its observances for the 75th anniversary of Victory Day.

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                        People attend the Victory Day military parade that marked the 75th anniversary of the allied victory over Nazi Germany, in Minsk, Belarus, Saturday, May 9, 2020. Belarus remains one of the few countries that hadn't imposed a lockdown or restricted public events despite recommendations of the World Health Organization. (AP Photo/Sergei Grits)

                        MINSK, Belarus (AP) — The eastern European nation of Belarus held a full-fledged military parade Saturday to mark Victory Day, shrugging off safety concerns during the coronavirus pandemic that led Russia to curtail its own long-planned 75th anniversary observances.
                        Tens of thousands of spectators lined the parade route as some 3,000 soldiers and 185 military vehicles passed by in the capital, Minsk.
                        Some elderly veterans watching from a stand wore masks, but few face coverings or other protective measures were seen in the throng of viewers along the street.
                        Last edited by jeremyp; 05-10-2020, 04:16 PM.


                        • Meanwhile...

                          ‘Scary to Go to Work’: White House Races to Contain Virus in Its Ranks

                          With two White House staff members testing positive, some officials fear the disease is already spreading rapidly through the West Wing.

                          The Trump administration is racing to contain an outbreak of Covid-19 inside the White House, as some senior officials believe that the disease is already spreading rapidly through the warren of cramped offices that make up the three floors of the West Wing.

                          “It is scary to go to work,” Kevin Hassett, a top economic adviser to the president, said on CBS’s “Face the Nation” program on Sunday. Mr. Hassett said he wore a mask at times at the White House, but conceded that “I think that I’d be a lot safer if I was sitting at home than I would be going to the West Wing.”


                          • gh wrote:

                            nice collection of graphs:

                            Some are winning - some are not

                            which countries do best in beating covid-19?


                            Yes, that's a good collection. And within that site, there's a link to this page, which has graphs showing which states are winning and which are not.
                            Last edited by tandfman; 05-10-2020, 08:24 PM.


                            • Results so far of Sweden's relatively lax approach to combatting the coronavirus: lots of deaths and not much economic benefit....

                              Sweden unlikely to feel economic benefit of no-lockdown approach

                              Analysts forecast that growth will contract at a similar rate to rest of Europe

                              Sweden, with a population of 10m, has had 3,220 deaths so far from coronavirus — more than triple the number in neighbouring Denmark, Finland and Norway, which have a combined population of 15m. Relative to population 311 people have died per million in Sweden, while in neighbouring Norway the toll so far is 40 per million.

                              But economists argue that Sweden is unlikely in the long term to escape the severe economic pain of the rest of Europe. The European Commission forecasts that Sweden’s GDP will fall by 6.1 per cent this year.

                              The Riksbank, the country’s central bank, has an even gloomier outlook, estimating that GDP will contract by 7-10 per cent, with unemployment peaking at between 9 and 10.4 per cent. These are disastrous figures for the Scandinavian country.



                              • Originally posted by Halfmiler2 View Post

                                The Saturday (5/9/20) early afternoon numbers:

                                Worldwide: 3,974K (+2%) cases & 276K (+2%) deaths
                                The USA : 1,289K(+2%) cases & 77,344(+2%) deaths
                                New York: 333K(+0%) cases & 21,271 (+2%) deaths
                                NYC Only: 186K(+0%) cases & 19,702 (+1%) deaths
                                New Jersey: 137K(+1%) cases & 9,116 (+2%) deaths
                                Bergen Co.: 16,804(+1%)cases & 1,348 (+1%) deaths
                                The Sunday (5/10/20) early afternoon numbers:

                                Worldwide: 4,056K (+2%) cases & 280K (+1%) deaths
                                The USA : 1,351K(+5%) cases & 80,001(+3%) deaths
                                New York: 336K (+1%) cases & 21,271 (+0%) deaths
                                NYC Only: 184K (+0%) cases & 15,505 (+0%) deaths
                                New Jersey: 139K(+1%) cases & 9,255 (+1%) deaths
                                Bergen Co.:16,929(+1%) cases & 1,355 (+1%) deaths

                                NYC deaths totals today are confirmed cases only and do not include probable deaths.