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  • Originally posted by Halfmiler2 View Post

    That assumes that China had only 4K deaths. Believe what you want to believe. If China had 2 million deaths, then the USA drops under 10%.
    And your reason for that assumption? So you really think that China had 20-50 million cases, and that these cases really were before they opened up, or you would have seen them, and all of the 100,000 doctors that would have died would not have said anything, and almost none of the academics would have died, because otherwise all of their academic contacts would have known (like my wife would with several of her former students there).
    Last edited by 26mi235; 08-12-2020, 03:28 PM. Reason: To remove overly nasty comments made too quickly about a valuable fellow poster.

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    • The Florida Department of Health reported a new daily record of 276 COVID-19 deaths Tuesday.
      Hard to know if this is accumulative over time, I'm presuming so, as death recordings come in days or weeks later.

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      • Originally posted by Halfmiler2 View Post

        That assumes that China had only 4K deaths. Believe what you want to believe. If China had 2 million deaths, then the USA drops under 10%.
        Are you suggesting that China would lie? Or India? Or Brazil? Or Mexico? The only way to know better information is to look at the countries (all causes) death tolls and compare them to previous years/months. I do think China could stomp this thing down to size more quickly than all of the big countries. Authoritarian leadership, high efficiency, and a compliant population. 3 things we didn't have.

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        • Originally posted by jeremyp View Post
          The Florida Department of Health reported a new daily record of 276 COVID-19 deaths Tuesday.
          Hard to know if this is accumulative over time, I'm presuming so, as death recordings come in days or weeks later.
          They have a very definite weekly pattern, with Sunday and Monday deaths much lower (really Sat and Sun data), then a spike on Tuesday the reports the under-reported deaths that were not 'moved forward' in the system over the weekend (I suspect especially in many counties, although the hard hit ones my not have enough people on weekends to deal with non-immediate requirements. Last Tuesday the reported deaths were 245, and so the weekly average just increased by four to 165. Florida also has temporary factors because they shut down a lot of testing sites and other things likely slowed down because of the approaching hurricane (which moved east a bit and did not do a whole lot to Florida.

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          • Originally posted by jeremyp View Post

            Are you suggesting that China would lie? Or India? Or Brazil? Or Mexico? The only way to know better information is to look at the countries (all causes) death tolls and compare them to previous years/months. I do think China could stomp this thing down to size more quickly than all of the big countries. Authoritarian leadership, high efficiency, and a compliant population. 3 things we didn't have.
            Am I suggesting China would lie? Yes.

            Otherwise, why did they quickly order 2 million cremation urns to Wuhan early this year.
            Last edited by Halfmiler2; 08-12-2020, 03:53 AM.

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            • I would add the really ludicrous claim is that China had only 4K deaths and none for months. And fewer than 100K cases. This in a country with over 1 billion people and in which the virus started.

              Look at what happened in other countries such as in Europe at the early stages of the virus. And China largely escaped the worst effects?



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              • Originally posted by Halfmiler2 View Post
                I would add the really ludicrous claim is that China had only 4K deaths and none for months. And fewer than 100K cases. This in a country with over 1 billion people and in which the virus started.

                Look at what happened in other countries such as in Europe at the early stages of the virus. And China largely escaped the worst effects?


                China can take the sort of draconian measures that folks in western democracies would never tolerate. Also, all the East Asain countries fared better than western countries, not just China. Perhaps there are cultural similarities between these countries that make them less conducive for COVID-19 spreading like wildfire.

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                • I'll put out there that no matter how many deaths occurred in any other country, the US has had too many.

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                      • Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post

                        China can take the sort of draconian measures that folks in western democracies would never tolerate. Also, all the East Asain countries fared better than western countries, not just China. Perhaps there are cultural similarities between these countries that make them less conducive for COVID-19 spreading like wildfire.
                        Even if you allow for all that, it does not explain China’s numbers. No new cases or deaths for months?

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                        • Originally posted by Halfmiler2 View Post

                          Even if you allow for all that, it does not explain China’s numbers. No new cases or deaths for months?
                          defies belief, doesn't it? But are we surprised........?

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                          • Brazil August 11

                            Daily new cases 54,923
                            Total Cases 3,112,393

                            Daily new deaths 1,242
                            Total deaths 103,099
                            Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants

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                            • Originally posted by Halfmiler2 View Post

                              The Tuesday (8/11/20) early afternoon numbers:

                              Worldwide: 20,134K(+1%)cases & 737K(+1%) deaths
                              The USA : 5,187K (+1%) cases & 165K(+1%) deaths
                              New York: 422K (+0%) cases & 32,781 (+0%) deaths
                              NYC Only: 225K (+0%) cases & 16,302(+0%) deaths
                              New Jersey:185K(+0%) cases & 15,890(+0%) deaths
                              Bergen Co.:20,894(+0%)cases & 2,038 (+0%) deaths

                              NYC numbers were revised downward.

                              NJ had 498 new cases & 14 new confirmed deaths.
                              NY had 667 new cases & 7 new confirmed deaths.
                              NJ has 538 & NY 540 COVID hospitalizations.

                              The Rt for NJ dropped again to 0.94.
                              NY had done 6.6 million tests -about 1/3 of its population. NJ has done 2.35 million - over 1/4.
                              The Wednesday (8/12/20) early afternoon numbers:

                              Worldwide: 2,292K(+1%)cases & 741K(+1%) deaths
                              The USA : 5,249K(+1%) cases & 166K(+1%) deaths
                              New York : 423K(+0%) cases & 32,787(+0%) deaths
                              NYC only: 228K(+1%) cases & 26,326 (+0%) deaths
                              New Jersey:186K(+0%)cases & 15,885(+0%) deaths
                              Bergen Co.:20,899(+0%)cases & 2,036(+0%) deaths

                              NY, NJ, & Bergen total deaths include confirmed and probable deaths, while NYC includes only confirmed deaths.

                              NJ had 484 new cases and 9 new confirmed deaths.
                              NJ & Bergen probable deaths were revised downward.
                              NY had 700 new cases and 6 new total deaths.

                              The Rt for NJ ticked down again to 0.92.
                              The NJ daily positivity rate is at 2.09%.
                              NJ has 592 and NY has 540 COVID hospitalizations.
                              Last edited by Halfmiler2; 08-13-2020, 12:08 AM.

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                              • Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post

                                China can take the sort of draconian measures that folks in western democracies would never tolerate. Also, all the East Asain countries fared better than western countries, not just China. Perhaps there are cultural similarities between these countries that make them less conducive for COVID-19 spreading like wildfire.
                                - Wearing masks was common even before covid-19.
                                - Washing hands frequently.
                                - Hugging, kissing and hand shaking less common.
                                - Taking off shoes at the entrance door.
                                - Anything else?

                                Do I think China is under-counting / under-reporting their death tolls? Of course, I do. So are most other countries to different degrees. If all the countries counted and reported deaths the same way Belgium does, there would be an entirely different global total.

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