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  • Originally posted by Halfmiler2 View Post

    So you really believe that they have not had a single death in three months? Would you be interested in buying a bridge in Brooklyn?
    Chinese want to stomp something out they can....ask the Uighurs.


    Anyways if you have some reference that the Chinese numbers now are fake you are more than welcome to present it.

    NZ got down to zero. Close the country down. Isolate those infected and anyone entering has to go through 2 weeks quarantine.
    Last edited by Conor Dary; 10-17-2020, 06:39 PM.

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    • Kansas City hospitals overwhelmed, some forced to divert ambulances as COVID-19 cases jump

      COVID-19 hospitalizations were up 10% across the Kansas City region this week.


      https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/kansas...mpression=true

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      • Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post

        Chinese want to stomp something out they can....ask the Uighurs.


        Anyways if you have some reference that the Chinese numbers now are fake you are more than welcome to present it.

        NZ got down to zero. Close the country down. Isolate those infected and anyone entering has to go through 2 weeks quarantine.
        So you do not even think a single one of the 2K new cases in the past three months died.

        There have by numerous reports in the press questioning the China numbers. Even by the Sun in London which is hardly part of a right-wing conspiracy.

        In early April, Time reported that six researchers at the University of Hong Kong had issued a report on 3/27 estimating 232K cases instead of the 75K reported by China at the time. And, of course, there are the 2 million urns for ashes that China ordered for Wuhan early in the year. What was that for?

        I have not seen any press report outside of China & the WHO defending the China numbers.

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        • Allow me to remind one and all of the premise under which this thread is allowed to continue to exist after the original was shut down.

          The name includes this: no-nonsense, nothing-but-the-facts-m'am C19 thread

          If you want to get into opinions (in a limited way), please go to Coping With Covid 19"

          this thread is for hardcore (hopefully) scientific developments only

          thanks

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          • Originally posted by Halfmiler2 View Post

            So you do not even think a single one of the 2K new cases in the past three months died.

            There have by numerous reports in the press questioning the China numbers. Even by the Sun in London which is hardly part of a right-wing conspiracy.

            In early April, Time reported that six researchers at the University of Hong Kong had issued a report on 3/27 estimating 232K cases instead of the 75K reported by China at the time. And, of course, there are the 2 million urns for ashes that China ordered for Wuhan early in the year. What was that for?

            I have not seen any press report outside of China & the WHO defending the China numbers.
            In the past 3 months almost all the new cases were imported, and that means they were fit enough and normally asymptomatic to pass the airline scrutiny (who have good reasons to do their best, since if there proves to be more than 5 cases on the same flight the same line will be suspended for at least one week by CAAC, and these are very lucrative lines), and also able to withstand long, international flights. Moreover they do get treatment, so it's hardly your usual covid cohort.
            Last edited by xw; 10-18-2020, 04:58 AM.

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            • Originally posted by gh View Post
              meanwhile, in the treatment department....

              Remdesivir and interferon fall flat in WHO’s megastudy of COVID-19 treatments


              https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020...-19-treatments
              Can't wait to hear what my daughter says.

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              • An indoor hockey game in Florida was the source of a COVID-19 outbreak, adding to the evidence that indoor sports may be at high risk for becoming super-spreading events, researchers found.

                During the 5 days following the game, 15 people, including 14 of 22 players and a rink staff member, developed COVID-19 symptoms, and 13 of 15 tested positive for SARS-CoV-2, reported David Atrubin, MPH, of the Florida Department of Health in Hillsborough County, and colleagues, writing in the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report.

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                • Meanwhile...

                  How the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally may have spread coronavirus across the Upper Midwest - The Washington Post

                  https://mobile.twitter.com/jaketappe...84871322910721

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                  • Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
                    Meanwhile...

                    How the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally may have spread coronavirus across the Upper Midwest - The Washington Post

                    https://mobile.twitter.com/jaketappe...84871322910721
                    Some quotes:
                    Within weeks of the gathering, the Dakotas, along with Wyoming, Minnesota and Montana, were leading the nation in new coronavirus infections per capita. The surge was especially pronounced in North and South Dakota, where cases and hospitalization rates continued their juggernaut rise into October. Experts say they will never be able to determine how many of those cases originated at the 10-day rally, given the failure of state and local health officials to identify and monitor attendees returning home, or to trace chains of transmission after people got sick. Some, however, believe the nearly 500,000-person gathering played a role in the outbreak now consuming the Upper Midwest.




                    More than 330 coronavirus cases and one death were directly linked to the rally as of mid-September, according to a Washington Post survey of health departments in 23 states that provided information. But experts say that tally represents just the tip of the iceberg, since contact tracing often doesn’t capture the source of an infection, and asymptomatic spread goes unnoticed.

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                    • Originally posted by Halfmiler2 View Post

                      The Saturday (10/17/20) early afternoon numbers:

                      Globally: 39,359K cases & 1,101K deaths
                      The USA: 8,146K cases & 222K deaths
                      NY State: 482K cases & 32,944 deaths
                      NYC only: 254K cases & 23,841 deaths
                      NJ State: 219K cases & 16,204 deaths
                      Bergen: 23,639 cases & 2,050 deaths

                      NY, NJ, NYC, & Bergen deaths include confirmed & probable.

                      NJ had 958 new cases & 2 new confirmed deaths
                      NY had 1,784 new cases, 9 new confirmed deaths
                      NJ had 759 & NY has 929 hospitalizations.
                      The Rt for NJ dipped to 1.17.
                      The Sunday (10/18/20) early afternoon numbers:

                      Globally: 39,690K cases & 1,106K deaths
                      The USA: 8,211K cases & 223K deaths
                      NY State: 484K cases & 32,959 deaths
                      NYC only: 255K cases & 23,845 deaths
                      NJ State: 220K cases & 16,211 deaths
                      Bergen: 23,738 cases & 2,050 deaths

                      Global numbers exclude China - 86K reported cases and 4.6K reported deaths.

                      NJ had 1,282 new cases & 7 new confirmed deaths.
                      NY had 1,390 new cases & 7 new confirmed deaths.
                      NJ has 732 & NY has 913 hospitalizations.
                      The Rt for NJ dipped to 1.15.
                      Last edited by Halfmiler2; 10-18-2020, 11:42 PM.

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                      • FWIW...

                        China is back to normal — the US and Europe are not. Here's how it succeeded.
                        • China has put the coronavirus pandemic behind it, and life has returned to largely to normal.
                        • During its Golden Week holiday, from October 1 and October 7, China saw 637 million people travel across the country without any surges in cases.
                        • Meanwhile, the US and many European countries are still struggling to quash their outbreaks and experiencing new surges as the winter approaches.
                        • Experts say China's fast and comprehensive testing approach, lockdowns that ran their full course, and simple, clear messaging helped it solve the problem.
                        • Meanwhile, the US and Europe struggled to control their outbreaks due to mixed messaging, incomplete lockdowns, weak contact tracing, and a lack of experience with epidemics.
                        • This week, the US, France, UK, Poland, and Belgium logged record numbers of new daily cases.
                        https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-bac...082500699.html

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                        • Sweden considers 'local lockdowns' in shift in coronavirus strategy

                          Sweden's public health agency will this week start working with regions battling the worst coronavirus outbreaks to bring in local restrictions, as the country toughens its approach to ward off a resurgence in infections.

                          https://www.yahoo.com/news/sweden-co...141101306.html

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                          • Dr. Fauci on CBS' 60 Minutes

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssiLlfGT9gg

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                            • Meanwhile....


                              .@ScottGottliebMD
                              : “We have two or three very hard months ahead of us. I think it’s going to be the hardest phase of this pandemic.”


                              https://mobile.twitter.com/JesseRodr...55709251452928

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                              • Trump’s den of dissent: Inside the White House task force as coronavirus surges

                                “It seems to me this is policy-based evidence-making rather than evidence-based policymaking,” said Marc Lipsitch, director of the Center for Communicable Disease Dynamics at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health. “In other words, if your goal is to do nothing, then you create a situation in which it looks okay to do nothing [and] you find some experts to make it complicated.”


                                https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit....co/WXC8EaKkpE
                                Last edited by Conor Dary; 10-19-2020, 05:23 PM.

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