the no-nonsense, nothing-but-the-facts-m'am C19 thread

[Tuariki]

You could remind them that Covid itself can make them unable to perform.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210407/erectile-dysfunction-risk-6-times-higher-in-men-with-covid

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210513/coronavirus-lingers-in-penis-and-could-cause-impotence

I forwarded those articles to my daughter.

Horrible person that she is, her response was "covid causes ED in men? Wow, what a great thing for us women".

[18.99s]

It's very possible I missed something back then. I don't remember talk of boosters nearly a year ago. If boosters were on the horizon why were you considered fully vaxxed after your second? So that's not unreasonable to think. Everybody, including everyone around here, used the expression "fully vaxxed" when they got their second.

"Fully vaxxed" was about acquiring the full strength of the immunity (to the level observed in the clinical trials), not the duration or permanence of it. The vaccine makers had no published expectation or estimate of long-term immunity, and they said there would be follow-up studies to observe how long the immunity lasts.

If this virus were of the pox or measles family where immunity is decades to lifelong, there might have been that long-term expectation, but with immunity being short-lived for other viruses in the coronavirus family, there was no basis for that expectation. Perhaps they could have done better messaging to clarify that fully vaccinated doesn't mean long-term or permanent, but they never said it meant anything long-term, although you and others have interpreted it that way.

[scottmitchell74]

"Fully vaxxed" was about acquiring the full strength of the immunity (to the level observed in the clinical trials), not the duration or permanence of it. The vaccine makers had no published expectation or estimate of long-term immunity, and they said there would be follow-up studies to observe how long the immunity lasts.

If this virus were of the pox or measles family where immunity is decades to lifelong, there might have been that long-term expectation, but with immunity being short-lived for other viruses in the coronavirus family, there was no basis for that expectation. Perhaps they could have done better messaging to clarify that fully vaccinated doesn't mean long-term or permanent, but they never said it meant anything long-term, although you and others have interpreted it that way.

I think this is the case. Also, I think most people think of vaccine/immunity to be either permanent or very long-term. You seem really informed on these issues. For various reasons, I doubt most people knew/know what you wrote above. I'm willing to bet, across every possible demographic of race, religion, party, age, income; if you polled people they would overwhelmingly believe "fully vaxxed" to mean "done with that." Not now maybe, but 3-11 months ago. Anyhow...good chatting with you. I'm better for it.

On a completely unrelated note: is your handle related to the hope/belief back in his prime that Bolt would break 19?

[18.99s]

On a completely unrelated note: is your handle related to the hope/belief back in his prime that Bolt would break 19?

Yes, I was hoping he'd run 18.99 in the 200m.

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.... Also, I think most people think of vaccine/immunity to be either permanent or very long-term. ....

I doubt that people who are accustomed to annual flu shots would think that way

[18.99s]

I doubt that people who are accustomed to annual flu shots would think that way

Speaking of flu shots, Moderna is working on a combined flu+Covid booster shot.

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/moderna-developing-single-dose-combination-vaccine-covid-19-flu-2021-09-09/

[scottmitchell74]

I doubt that people who are accustomed to annual flu shots would think that way

Ha! Good point. Then I was talking to my wife this morning about childhood vaccines that are given in stages. All helpful food for thought.

[Conor Dary]

Or tetanus which doesn't last forever....I just got that again.

[TN1965]

I'm willing to bet, across every possible demographic of race, religion, party, age, income; if you polled people they would overwhelmingly believe "fully vaxxed" to mean "done with that." Not now maybe, but 3-11 months ago.

You left out an important demographic marker.

I'm willing to bet there is significant difference between college graduates and the rest in how well they understood "fully vaxxed" meant.

I'm willing to further bet those with post graduate degree in STEM had even higher level of understanding.

And that difference has nothing to do with any discipline specific knowledge, and everything to do with scientific reasoning. (BTW, you also learn this in some of the fields other than STEM.)

[gh]

Speaking of flu shots, Moderna is working on a combined flu+Covid booster shot.

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sounds like a recipe for my arm falling off

[scottmitchell74]

Or tetanus which doesn't last forever....I just got that again.

Yeah, that one came up, too. See how this works. Discussion, not brow-beating. Yay! My favorite curmudgeon Conor Dary. 🤘🤘👍❤❤

[TN1965]

Japan: From vaccine hesitancy to vaccine success (yahoo.com)

With just seven weeks to go until the Olympics, only 3.5% of Japan's population had been fully vaccinated. While friends in the UK were merrily posting vaccine selfies on social media, here in the capital Tokyo, we were joking we might not see a needle till Christmas.

With the Olympics about to open, it seemed astonishing the Japanese government had bungled the vaccine rollout so badly.

[jeremyp]

Japan: From vaccine hesitancy to vaccine success (yahoo.com)

With just seven weeks to go until the Olympics, only 3.5% of Japan's population had been fully vaccinated. While friends in the UK were merrily posting vaccine selfies on social media, here in the capital Tokyo, we were joking we might not see a needle till Christmas.

With the Olympics about to open, it seemed astonishing the Japanese government had bungled the vaccine rollout so badly.

Check the date.

[Tuariki]

Japan: From vaccine hesitancy to vaccine success (yahoo.com)

With just seven weeks to go until the Olympics, only 3.5% of Japan's population had been fully vaccinated. While friends in the UK were merrily posting vaccine selfies on social media, here in the capital Tokyo, we were joking we might not see a needle till Christmas.

With the Olympics about to open, it seemed astonishing the Japanese government had bungled the vaccine rollout so badly.

Rip Van Winkle??

[18.99s]

Check the date.

The article's date is November 19. The opening paragraphs may make it seem like an old article, but there's this part:

Six months later, it couldn't be more different.

Not only has Japan succeeded in overcoming the early chaos, it's managed to get a higher percentage of its population vaccinated than almost anywhere else on Earth. Some 76% of Japanese are now fully immunised.