the no-nonsense, nothing-but-the-facts-m'am C19 thread

[DET59]

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China doesn't actually say things. People in China say things, or government agencies release statements or information. Track and field is an international sport and many members of this forum call a variety of places home (including China).

I believe the link between Racoon Dog DNA and the virus came from international researchers who were reviewing 2+ year old data and notice the DNA link.

[jeremyp]

China doesn't actually say things. People in China say things, or government agencies release statements or information. Track and field is an international sport and many members of this forum call a variety of places home (including China).

I believe the link between Racoon Dog DNA and the virus came from international researchers who were reviewing 2+ year old data and notice the DNA link.

The question remains about the spread of the virus. Market, or lab. China has not released studies that might clarify this, but has not. Why?

[DET59]

Thank you for making my point. "China" doesn't release data just like "America" doesn't release data. The CDC, an international organization releases (or doesn't release) data. Here's a link to a very good article about the data regarding the Raccon dog stuff.

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/raccoon-dog-dna-covid-origins-debate

Are various agencies in China, both Chinese and International, withholding covid data? Probably, just as they are elsewhere. I believe US Congress is passing a bill right now which Biden will not veto that will require all government agencies to release covid data in 90 days. That is one of the U.S. greatest strengths, holding government accountable. That's probably not going to happen in most countries for a variety of reasons.

Just as Americans are perturbed when the acts of leaders are conflated to represent an entire people called "Americans" (something greatly amplified by Trump), so are people in China. They get tired of hearing "China this, China that" just like Americans get tired of hearing they all own and carry guns, that their kids will probably get shot at in school, and everyone is either taking or selling illegal drugs. Political leaders make it worse by reinforcing stereotypes and having "experts" talk crap. Trump's "China Expert" and proponent of the phrase "China Virus" Peter Navarro, is a classic example. He speaks no Chinese and has visited China exactly one time, yet was highly paid to be Trumps China advisor and later morphed in the Covid logistics czar (we saw how well that went). Could you imagine another country, say France, having their foremost advisor on the U.S. being someone who spoke no English, had to use Google translates to get their information, and whose entire first-hand American experience was shopping in NYC for a week? Navarro came to Trumps attention for a book he "researched" almost 20 years ago predicting the economic collapse of China.

Please criticize the Chinese government (or any others, Russians are in the crooshairs now) and its agencies. Be specific, especially when it come to track and field (like postponing world indoors, etc). There's a lot to criticize.

The failures of many governments and administrations during Covid are very evident. A lot of death could have been avoided with less politics and more common sense all over the world.

Now, back to watching the Tiktok hearings... funny how vastly different the U.S. and China deal with this. One congressman brought the parents of a teen who committed suicide after being exposed to thousands of messages about violence and self harm to the hearing, using them to try and shut down tiktok. China's answer to the growing problem is to impose a one hour a day limit on teenage access to gaming and social media sites. Very different attempts at solving a problem shared by almost all nations.

[jeremyp]

Covid-19 accomplished what would-be grandparents and government actuaries could not: It persuaded millennials to have kids.

So. Many. Kids.

Recently released data show that roughly, oh, nine months to a year after lockdowns started, a mini baby boom began. In 2021, for instance, roughly 51,000 more American babies were born than in 2020.

“Women with more education were the ones that were having a lot more children,” Bailey told me for a recent PBS NewsHour story on the pandemic baby bump. “Women with less than a college education, we not only saw their birthrates go down, but they’ve barely recovered to trend by the end of 2021.”

Why might that be? Women with bachelor’s degrees are much more likely to be employed in white-collar occupations that can go remote. As of mid-2021, roughly two-thirds of employed, college-educated younger women were working from home at least some of the time, according to a government survey; that’s more than double the share of their high-school-graduate counterparts. Flexible, commute-free work arrangements may have disproportionately given college grads the time and space to grow their families.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-boom-economy/

[scottmitchell74]

Now that's good news! Children are a blessing.

Also, I wondered during the lockdowns: what else were people going to do?! 😄

[Halfmiler2]

Whenever there is a blackout somewhere, there always seems to be a report of a baby bump nine months later. 🙂

[gh]

Whenever there is a blackout somewhere, there always seems to be a report of a baby bump nine months later. 🙂

a great urban myth

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/05/040512044711.htm

[DET59]

Now that's good news! Children are a blessing.

?! 😄

Yes, great news as I became a grandfather for the second time during covid. Interesting, but in other parts of the world the birthrate took a drastic deline during Covid. I live in Korea (from CNN: South Korea's birth rate has been falling since 2015 and the country recorded more deaths than births for the first time in 2020, a trend that has continued since). Perhaps it has to do with so many young adults still living at home with mom and dad during COVID and almost no one getting married. Apparently Japan is just as bad and the government announced this week a whole new set of incentives and social welfare programs to try to increase the birthrate.

[Halfmiler2]

a great urban myth

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/05/040512044711.htm

I’ll trust what maternity ward nurses tell me over the article.

[jeremyp]

Last October, Florida’s surgeon general, Joseph A. Ladapo, made an alarming claim about the mRNA vaccines that have been so vital to protecting people around the world from serious disease and death from the coronavirus.

Dr. Ladapo issued a press release declaring that a new analysis by the Florida health department had found an “abnormally high risk of cardiac-related death” among men 18- to 39-years-old within 28 days of receiving the vaccines. He recommended that men in that age group not get the mRNA shots.

Now, thanks to a public records request by the Tampa Bay Times, we discover that the analysis was altered by Dr. Ladapo to emphasize the risks. Five previous drafts of the analysis — before he edited it — did not reach such a conclusion.

The first draft of the Florida analysis concluded there was “no increase” in the risk of cardiac-related deaths from the mRNA vaccine, and by the fifth draft, it still said there was “no increased risk for cardiac mortality following mRNA vaccinations.” But version six, the one edited by Dr. Ladapo and released to the public, warned “covid-19 vaccination was associated with a modestly increased risk for cardiac-related mortality 28 days following vaccination.” The sixth version had a notation that it contained “Dr. L’s edits,” according to Politico.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/04/29/florida-vaccine-study-surgeon-general/

[wamego relays champ]

If one is interested in reliving the early days of data tracking on COVID-19, this podcast has a fascinating series looking back at the volunteers who came together in early 2020 to form the COVID Tracking Project.

https://revealnews.org/article/covid-tracking-project/

[lonewolf]

My daughter, son-in-law, and HS senior grandson came down with Covid last week. All had all the shots and boosts(with reaction), abandoned masks long ago. Grandson brought it home from school or Votech computer lab.

[mgallagh43]

My daughter, son-in-law, and HS senior grandson came down with Covid last week. All had all the shots and boosts(with reaction), abandoned masks long ago. Grandson brought it home from school or Votech computer lab.

I haven't seen too much in the way of mass waves of infection since Omicron last January but it certainly seems like local to me as well as friends back on the East Coast, everyone has gotten a new round over the last couple weeks.

[jeremyp]

At a party in our HOA a few weeks back 2 couples, sitting at the table with another couple and their visiting adult children, came down with covid. The next week another couple caught it from a cruise. In Florida we're still getting 30 deaths per day (65+). We heard they had ok'd another booster but nobody here has it.

[J Rorick]

We heard they had ok'd another booster but nobody here has it.

CDC has OKed it. My wife and I are getting the Pfizer booster tomorrow (our 6th shot overall). I'm not RW, so the vaccine won't harm me.