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  • #31
    Originally posted by user4 View Post

    Not really, the facts that came out in the case against .. what's his name, ... The shooter of Martin , were sufficient to convince a jury that he was physically assaulted first . This is not what the video shows in this case.
    What does the jury decision have to do with the facts of the case? The point I'm making is that juries often get it wrong, and anyone familiar with American history should know what often happens when a White person is accused of killing a Black person. Remember, there was video of the Philando Castile and Terence Crutcher murders and the perpetrators still walked.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vM2KVbpBzWE


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxfWXeAdiLE

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    • #32
      Wiki cites some statistics on racial disparity in stand-your-ground states. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-...cial_disparity

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      • #33
        Originally posted by user4 View Post

        i interpret that video as a man being unlawfully confronted by armed men. I realize that Ahmaud reacted in an unwise manner but his reaction was not on their property, he was not committing a crime , he was on a public road, they had no business bothering him.

        For that reason I am certain that the prosecutors will make clear that he had every right to " stand his ground" and defend himself.

        regarding the murderers, When does a person have a right to take a loaded gun and confront an unarmed man on a public road ? Certainly not because a theft occurred a mile away. No the answer is almost never. The defense has an uphill climb. There are scenarios where a citizens arrest is vital and necessary, typically on the premises of a crime, not by armed men on a public way . If they wanted to arrest an unarmed man, they didn't need guns. These guys are going away.

        I realize some people will see race in everything, but it is really irrelevant here.
        I was just playing devil's advocate as to what the defense might say the video shows. My hope is that at that time of day other neighbors were out doing their yard work, security cameras may have picked up something and the person who took the video may have heard and seen more than was taped.

        The argument that Ahmaud was the one standing his ground is a very interesting take. How does this stupid law determine which party has the more valid claim to be standing their ground? The person who survives?

        Take the guns out of this scenario and how could this have easily played out? Ahmaud just keeps running, the three men follow him to his home, they call the police on their cellphones (Do they have video or audio, perhaps?)
        the police listen to their theory about Ahmaud being a burglar. The cops tell the former detective that he is retired
        and his yard needs work.

        or Ahmaud and the son get into a wrestling match in the middle of the street, the cops break it up, and everyone is home, alive, in time for lunch.

        race is relevant here because a white jogger who just ran through the neighbor a half hour earlier didn't bring the same reaction from the three vigilantes. Ahmaud was black and therefore a likely suspect.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by user4 View Post


          I realize some people will see race in everything, but it is really irrelevant here.
          Spoken like a true person that doesn't understand white privilege. And it the same reason why we will always here, "an unarmed black man/women was shot to day while ...... in their own living room, walking down the street, going for a run, speeding, minding there own business.
          It's a shame you are unable to see that. Its the same privilege that afforded these two men to go two months without being charged. [but its not about race........]
          It's the same privilege that emboldened them leave their house, pick up guns and make a black man stop for them.
          Last edited by athlete101; 05-09-2020, 02:43 PM.

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          • #35
            And the fact that over two months has passed for evidence to disappear, memories to fade, and the stories of the three vigilantes to be rehearsed and synchronized ( remember the father was a former detective/investigator)
            All this means the prosecution has been put at a disadvantage, and maybe intentionally so on the part of the district attorneys who have recused themselves.

            I hope user4 is correct about these "guys going away" for a long time in prison.
            and I hope these laws are rethought, re-written to be less subjective, or eliminated altogether.

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            • #36
              New York Times Sports section today, related story.
              will let GH provide link or add to home page.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by DJG View Post

                I hope user4 is correct about these "guys going away" for a long time in prison.
                and I hope these laws are rethought, re-written to be less subjective, or eliminated altogether.
                They won't be and there is a pretty strong lobby from a national outfit which will make sure they won't be.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by DJG View Post
                  New York Times Sports section today, related story.
                  will let GH provide link or add to home page.
                  given the NYT paywall restrictions, we don't post links to them on home page

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by NotDutra5 View Post

                    They won't be and there is a pretty strong lobby from a national outfit which will make sure they won't be.
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                    • #40
                      There appears to be a couple of Georgia Statutes in play here. One is whether these two chaps would be permitted to conduct a citizens arrest in the first place and the second is whether the state's SYG statute comes into play. Anyone know if GA's SYG invocation requires a pre-trial as it does in Florida. In other words, they would need to go to a hearing to have a judge approve using SYG as a defense. If successful then they could not be tried. If denied, they cannot use SYG as a defense.

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                      • #41

                        Originally posted by DJG View Post
                        New York Times Sports section today, related story.
                        will let GH provide link or add to home page.
                        This is in the Times today....

                        Georgia Killing Puts Spotlight on a Police Force’s Troubled History

                        The shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery has renewed criticism of the police agency that released the two suspects. They were charged by the state months later.

                        https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/u...gtype=Homepage

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                        • #42

                          Originally posted by DJG View Post
                          New York Times Sports section today, related story.
                          will let GH provide link or add to home page.
                          You mean this one....

                          After a Killing, ‘Running While Black’ Stirs Even More Anxiety

                          Black runners have long taken steps to avoid racial profiling and violence. After the shooting death of Ahmaud Arbery, many say their fear has taken on a new urgency.

                          For many black runners, the killing and its aftermath have shed light on simmering fears of being attacked or racially profiled while running, an anxiety largely undiscussed in the wider running community, but one that is now causing runners of color to think even harder about the decisions they have to make when they go out for a jog.

                          The killing brought to life what Tianna Bartoletta said she faces during a split second of pause — “Is it worth it?” — when she steps outside to go running. The three-time Olympic gold medalist, a black woman, said the activity that has brought her immense joy and professional success is paired with fear.


                          https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/08/s...gtype=Homepage



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                          • #43
                            Its been reported today that there hadn't been any burglaries in the area for the last two months.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by KDFINE View Post
                              Its been reported today that there hadn't been any burglaries in the area for the last two months.
                              The 2 months before his death or the 2 months since?

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by athlete101 View Post

                                Spoken like a true person that doesn't understand white privilege. And it the same reason why we will always here, "an unarmed black man/women was shot to day while ...... in their own living room, walking down the street, going for a run, speeding, minding there own business.
                                It's a shame you are unable to see that. Its the same privilege that afforded these two men to go two months without being charged. [but its not about race........]
                                It's the same privilege that emboldened them leave their house, pick up guns and make a black man stop for them.
                                Actually the statistics are quite to the contrary. There are countless studies and analysis of homicides and the aggregate statistics on the race of the murderer and the victim are compiled by the Federal bureau of investigation and those numbers are available and well understood by crime analysts, they even write articles on this stuff. If you are interested in it you should learn the facts.

                                none of that changes the facts in this murder case .
                                Last edited by user4; 05-09-2020, 09:26 PM.

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