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  • Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post
    You've demonstrated over and over again that your value system is at complete odds with mine, as well as many others here, and this is just another example of it. Folks of your ilk don't have the moral authority to question the patriotism of men like Wright, who have served this nation with distinction and honor. That he doesn't see this nation through the same rose-colored glasses that you do, and would like it become a more perfect union, in no way diminishes his patriotism. He's every bit the patriot that Jackie Robinson.was, another veteran whose patriotism you once questioned.

    By the way, I'm pretty sure you would question the patriotism of my father and uncles too if you ever had the opportunity to hear them speak about this country.
    You continually confuse me with other people, i never mentioned the great American Jackie Robinson. I'm not sure why you do this .. back to the issue of Pastor Jeremiah, anyone that screams "God damn America" is not making the top of most people's list of Americans that love their country and it's not just my list, very few Americans would put him on their list. You may very well be in the majority here on this forum, it is possible that most folks here would like you have Jeremiah wright on their A list of USA-lovers.

    Its another instance where I'm very happy to point out where many Americans differ. Consider me the one voice of all the other people that don't view pastors that scream in year 2000 from affluent podiums "God Damn America"! as loving America.

    ​​​​​​as for values, you have mentioned a few that I agree with . In reality, where the talking is cheap and the living is real we likely disagree on little. But this is a talking place, so let's just keep having fun.

    Ill propose Thomas Sowell as a great candidate to replace Jeremiah Wright on your A list of patriots.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72dRkGwllmI

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxH1pCZi4jw

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    • The Mississippi state flag is now officially . . . wait for it . . . history.

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      • Originally posted by Atticus View Post
        The Mississippi state flag is now officially . . . wait for it . . . history.
        WOOHOO!

        Next... those pesky 150+ CSA monuments in my state.

        https://www.texastribune.org/2017/08...deracy-nation/

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        • some former winners among those in MLB calling for renaming of the Landis Trophy

          https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...rom-mvp-plaque

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          • Why the Descendants of Confederate Generals Are Happy to See Their Names Go

            As the Senate prepares to debate renaming military bases, we called living family members of the generals. Here's what they said.

            https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...y-bases-341278

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            • Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
              Why the Descendants of Confederate Generals Are Happy to See Their Names GoAs the Senate prepares to debate renaming military bases, we called living family members of the generals. Here's what they said.https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...y-bases-341278
              I wonder if they called the descendants of Ulysses S. Grant and Abraham Lincoln ?

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiAVIEyA7UQ

              Every once in a while I have the honor of driving down a road named for the "Grand Army of the Republic" .. The men that gave their last breath to save our union and expand freedom is real. Their ultimate sacrifice should never be forgotten.

              https://www.city-journal.org/remembe...-of-gettysburg
              Last edited by user4; 07-01-2020, 10:52 PM.

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              • Europe in 1989, America in 2020, and the Death of the Lost Cause

                From the eighteen-nineties through the First World War, as Jim Crow laws and practices spread across Southern states, and as lynching became a ritual of terror and control, it was organizations like the U.D.C. and U.C.V. that placed hundreds of monuments, large and small, all over city squares and town centers. By 1920, virtually no one in the South, black or white, could miss seeing a veterans’ parade, or a statue of a Confederate soldier leaning on his musket with sweet innocence and regional pride. Schools, streets, and parks were named for Confederates. And, at one dedication after another, the message sent to black Southerners was that the Lost Cause was no longer lost. It had, instead, become a victory narrative about the overturning of Reconstruction and the reëstablishment of white supremacy. The myth had become the ruling regime, which governed by law and by violence, and because it controlled the story. What’s more, the nation largely acquiesced to, and even applauded, this dogged Southern revival.





                https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cu...term=TNY_Daily

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                • Meanwhile....

                  We had to salute Stonewall Jackson’s statue at VMI when I was a freshman (now a defunct practice). I think it was supposed to imbue us with a sense of southern pride and history. But all it taught me was that Jackson was a very weird dude.

                  The cadets all hated his guts and called him “Tom Fool.” He had this goofball teaching method of just reciting the textbook verbatim, was a hypochondriac, he believed posture kept his organs “balanced,” rode horses with one arm up for blood flow, and constantly sucked on lemons.


                  https://mobile.twitter.com/noonanjo/...85990583934977
                  Last edited by Conor Dary; 07-01-2020, 08:25 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
                    Meanwhile....

                    We had to salute Stonewall Jackson’s statue at VMI when I was a freshman (now a defunct practice). I think it was supposed to imbue us with a sense of southern pride and history. But all it taught me was that Jackson was a very weird dude.

                    The cadets all hated his guts and called him “Tom Fool.” He had this goofball teaching method of just reciting the textbook verbatim, was a hypochondriac, he believed posture kept his organs “balanced,” rode horses with one arm up for blood flow, and constantly sucked on lemons.

                    https://mobile.twitter.com/noonanjo/...85990583934977
                    You went to VMI???

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                    • Not sure if you are joking....but always follow the link.

                      Meanwhile....a twist on statue removing ....putting one up!

                      Mystery Jeffrey Epstein statue found in Downtown Albuquerque

                      https://www.koat.com/article/mystery...rque/33025531#

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                      • Meanwhile....

                        RICHMOND, Va. (AP) - #Richmond mayor orders removal of all Confederate statues standing on city land.

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                        • [QUOTE=Conor Dary;n1653304]Europe in 1989, America in 2020, and the Death of the Lost Cause

                          From the eighteen-nineties through the First World War, as Jim Crow laws and practices spread across Southern states, and as lynching became a ritual of terror and control, it was organizations like the U.D.C. and U.C.V. that placed hundreds of monuments, large and small, all over city squares and town centers. By 1920, virtually no one in the South, black or white, could miss seeing a veterans’ parade, or a statue of a Confederate soldier leaning on his musket with sweet innocence and regional pride. Schools, streets, and parks were named for Confederates. And, at one dedication after another, the message sent to black Southerners was that the Lost Cause was no longer lost. It had, instead, become a victory narrative about the overturning of Reconstruction and the reëstablishment of white supremacy. The myth had become the ruling regime, which governed by law and by violence, and because it controlled the story. What’s more, the nation largely acquiesced to, and even applauded, this dogged Southern revival.


                          Thank you Conor !
                          Absolute truth expressed here from Conor's post ! Let's face it, " The South" treated their Black Citizens, from the death of Reconstruction in about 1875 until the 1950's and into the 1960's like absolute DOGSHIT. They only gradually stopped doing so when the Black Community finally was able to rise up and protest their plight. And if they had not done so, and the world of television had not helped them show the world how they had been treated for 80+ years, nothing would have ever improved for them. White Supremacy and Black Subjugation would be the same in 2020 as it was in 1875.

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                          • Originally posted by user4 View Post
                            I wonder if they called the descendants of Ulysses S. Grant and Abraham Lincoln ?
                            I think we're reaching critical mass on this:

                            https://www.chicagotribune.com/midwe...24q-story.html

                            MADISON, WIS. — Some University of Wisconsin-Madison students of color want the university to remove one of its most iconic landmarks, a statue of Abraham Lincoln, because of what they see as the former president’s anti-Indigenous and anti-Black history despite Lincoln’s legacy of ending slavery in the U.S.

                            Lincoln ordered the largest mass execution in U.S. history, condemning 38 Dakota men to death by hanging in Minnesota in 1862. He signed the Homestead Act, which provided settlers with land taken away from Native Americans who were pushed onto reservations. During a debate speech, he argued that there is a physical difference between black and white races and that he favored the “superior” position assigned to the white race, according to a Chicago Tribune report.

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                            • Getting rather ridiculous....

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                              • Originally posted by Atticus View Post
                                I think we're reaching critical mass on this:
                                https://www.chicagotribune.com/midwe...24q-story.html
                                Grant and other greats have been torn down at a number of sites.
                                https://www.newsweek.com/san-francis...lavery-1512316
                                https://www.foxnews.com/us/statue-mo...n-down-protest

                                While it would not surprise me that our mal-educated and illiterate mobs are making up fake charges against him and reinventing the past in order to slander him, it is much more likely that they simply know next to nothing about him.

                                It is as if the wanton destruction is simply the cover story to other looting and plundering. The plundering being the first order of business. Of course I could be wrong and they could actually just be marxists seeking to undermine the greatest experiment in moral government and liberty ever devised.

                                "The life of a nation is secure only while the nation is honest, truthful, and virtuous". - Frederick Douglass


                                On a brighter note, I understand that "Gone with the Wind" is going to be cancelled. I once started watching it as a 20 something and due to my incredible gifts of concentration and will power, I was able to watch a full 32 minutes of it before I fell asleep. Ever since that small portion taken in I was under the impression that "Rhett" was a northerner. I had made him in my mind to be a NYC merchant. I come now to find out that he was actually a southerner himself!!.. What a ghastly horror!.. A man with northern manners and southern pedigree, like the wind, be gone with him !!
                                Last edited by user4; 07-01-2020, 10:23 PM.

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