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Originally posted by Powell View Post
But in this case, wouldn't her progress be even more shocking if she was older than her official age?
The five second improvement she just made on her 800m PB is considerably more believable, but nowhere near a world junior record.
It's hard to imagine someone with a 200m PB of only 25.05 (she appears to have run only one) can crack out a couple of low-49 second 400ms within a week. I guess we should all be expecting a 22.5 when she next runs a 200.
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The track world has been expecting the unexpected from the massive talent lurking in Africa. This could be the tip of the iceberg in a continent that is just now starting to tap its potential.
Same with China, India and S. America.
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Originally posted by Atticus View PostThe track world has been expecting the unexpected from the massive talent lurking in Africa. This could be the tip of the iceberg in a continent that is just now starting to tap its potential.
Same with China, India and S. America.
I'm sure there are some super talents hidden away in the world. And maybe there are whole ethnic groups that have some natural advantage, as has been argued Kenyans & Ethiopians do in long distance running. (let us not forget all those recent Kenyan positive dope tests..)
At the moment though, there is an unfortunate prevalence of young women competing whos have been questioned in one way or another, and they have primarily come out of Africa & India: Semenya, Nyonsaba, Wambui, Mupopo, Seyni, Chand, (Santhi) Soundarajan, (Pinki) Pramanik and not forgetting the four unnamed women from 'developing countries' that ended up having gonadectomies to compete. So you cant blame people for questioning out-of-the-ordinary performances.
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Originally posted by Wiederganger View Post
At the moment though, there is an unfortunate prevalence of young women competing whos have been questioned in one way or another, and they have primarily come out of Africa & India: Semenya, Nyonsaba, Wambui, Mupopo, Seyni, Chand, (Santhi) Soundarajan, (Pinki) Pramanik and not forgetting the four unnamed women from 'developing countries' that ended up having gonadectomies to compete. So you cant blame people for questioning out-of-the-ordinary performances.Było smaszno, a jaszmije smukwijne...
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Originally posted by Tuariki View Post
Increased and improved PED detection???
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Originally posted by 18.99s View Post
With substantial credibility issues. What they did in 93 and 97 wasn't an example of a shining beacon of emerging athletic power.
As mungo man says, I do think the infrastructure is just not in place in other countries, and it aint happening any time soon. I'm sure we will see the odd talent such as Mboma, because she and Masilingi are undoubtedly talented, but unfortunately there's a shadow over them due to current issues in women's sport.
Powell I also think it's easy for us in the current climate to forget that extreme doping can massively affect an athlete's appearance, and maybe we are too quick to assume it's caused by one thing for European athletes, and another for African athletes. London 2017 finalist Mupopo is an 'interesting' case in that she was banned for 4 years for exogenous testosterone, yet her lawyers argued she had DSD. But this was not accepted and she was banned for 4 years.
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Originally posted by 1.609 View Post
Who knows? I won't speculate - I just thought it a somewhat peculiar response to comments about continents with untapped potential getting ready to explode. The Chinese explosion was a short-lived display of fireworks.
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Originally posted by KevinR View Post
Careful where you are going with this. You seem to be quite new to this board, so you may not be aware of the guidance that posters are not to speculate on PED use without any supporting evidence. This thread began with a discussion of surprising performances by two young ladies, but could shortly end up in the Dope Talk files.Last edited by 1.609; 04-21-2021, 03:19 PM.
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I was not implying anything, other than discussions about Ma's Army and their blitzgrieg on world records in the decades ago, generally wander into PED territory. Fungus tea and such. Continuing to speculate on how they reached those limits, but have not since, has really no place else to go.
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