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  • fasttrak85
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2013
    • 763

    #16
    All i will say is on this board we have alot of ostriches who like to bury their head in the sand. So much things are obvious before they are official and then we act like its news when it is officially declared. Smh

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    • booond
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2012
      • 8156
      • Everybody knows this is nowhere

      #17
      Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View Post
      I still love RBIs even though the Sabermetrics crowd dismisses them as the antiquated stat of a baseball luddite. Whatever!!
      How's that horse and buggy you drove to get here?

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      • scottmitchell74
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2008
        • 4603
        • Abilene, TX

        #18
        Originally posted by booond View Post

        How's that horse and buggy you drove to get here?
        I'll never give up RBIs!!
        You there, on the motorbike! Sell me one of your melons!

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        • Atticus
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2014
          • 26557
          • on task

          #19
          Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View Post
          I'll never give up RBIs!!
          I'm wid ya. You can't win the Triple Crown (a higher achievement than MVP) without them!

          In the last 100 years, these names are sacrosanct:

          Rogers Hornsby
          Jimmie Foxx
          Chuck Klein
          Lou Gehrig
          Joe Medwick
          Ted Williams
          Mickey Mantle
          Frank Robinson
          Carl Yastrzemski
          Miguel Cabrera
          Last edited by Atticus; 07-05-2021, 05:28 PM.

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          • lonewolf
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2005
            • 16315
            • Indian Territory

            #20
            Took 15 years but finally got this destructive thread shut down. Thank you gh.

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            • Atticus
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2014
              • 26557
              • on task

              #21
              Originally posted by lonewolf View Post
              Took 15 years but finally got this destructive thread shut down. Thank you gh.
              You're right that it brought contentious perspectives, but sometimes ya just gotta air the dirty laundry to get the stink out!
              That said, it ain't no thang to have or not have.

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              • booond
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2012
                • 8156
                • Everybody knows this is nowhere

                #22
                Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View Post

                I'll never give up RBIs!!
                RBIs are a combination of hitter ability and luck. Two hitters with the same stats can have far different RBI totals due to their teammates.

                Triple Crown is more rare than MVP but the MVP can be a better player than the TC winner as in 2012 when Mike Trout was a better player than Cabrera.

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                • noone
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 1496
                  • Calgary, Alta.

                  #23
                  Down with OPS, WAR and WHIP!

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                  • scottmitchell74
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 4603
                    • Abilene, TX

                    #24
                    Originally posted by booond View Post

                    RBIs are a combination of hitter ability and luck. Two hitters with the same stats can have far different RBI totals due to their teammates.

                    Triple Crown is more rare than MVP but the MVP can be a better player than the TC winner as in 2012 when Mike Trout was a better player than Cabrera.
                    I know all this. I'm saying I don't care. I LOVE RBIs!

                    That said, you still want a certain batter in the 3-4-5 spots who can drive them home. You want Micky Mantle batting 3rd, not Billy Martin.
                    You there, on the motorbike! Sell me one of your melons!

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                    • booond
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2012
                      • 8156
                      • Everybody knows this is nowhere

                      #25
                      Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View Post

                      You want Micky Mantle batting 3rd, not Billy Martin.
                      You don't want Martin in the lineup at all if you can help it. Martin was a decent defender but lousy hitter.

                      Hit Mantle second behind a good OBP guy and Berra - who never struckout and had good power - third.

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                      • bambam1729
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2008
                        • 7008

                        #26
                        Originally posted by booond View Post

                        RBIs are a combination of hitter ability and luck. Two hitters with the same stats can have far different RBI totals due to their teammates.

                        Triple Crown is more rare than MVP but the MVP can be a better player than the TC winner as in 2012 when Mike Trout was a better player than Cabrera.
                        Or you could have Ted Williams in 1941 and 1942 - 1941 batted 406 and led the league in home runs; 1942 won the Triple Crown - and did not win the MVP either year. That makes sense.

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                        • booond
                          Senior Member
                          • Jun 2012
                          • 8156
                          • Everybody knows this is nowhere

                          #27
                          Originally posted by bambam1729 View Post

                          Or you could have Ted Williams in 1941 and 1942 - 1941 batted 406 and led the league in home runs; 1942 won the Triple Crown - and did not win the MVP either year. That makes sense.
                          In 1941 you can make the argument that the second best player in the league on the best team should win as the difference between Williams and Dimaggio was close, especially if you overvalue Dimaggio's fielding versus Williams hitting and the value of centerfield over left field.

                          In 1942 it was a travesty,

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