It's Free Speech Day!!!

[booond]

Or you could have Ted Williams in 1941 and 1942 - 1941 batted 406 and led the league in home runs; 1942 won the Triple Crown - and did not win the MVP either year. That makes sense.

In 1941 you can make the argument that the second best player in the league on the best team should win as the difference between Williams and Dimaggio was close, especially if you overvalue Dimaggio's fielding versus Williams hitting and the value of centerfield over left field.

In 1942 it was a travesty,

[bambam1729]

RBIs are a combination of hitter ability and luck. Two hitters with the same stats can have far different RBI totals due to their teammates.

Triple Crown is more rare than MVP but the MVP can be a better player than the TC winner as in 2012 when Mike Trout was a better player than Cabrera.

Or you could have Ted Williams in 1941 and 1942 - 1941 batted 406 and led the league in home runs; 1942 won the Triple Crown - and did not win the MVP either year. That makes sense.

[booond]

You want Micky Mantle batting 3rd, not Billy Martin.

You don't want Martin in the lineup at all if you can help it. Martin was a decent defender but lousy hitter.

Hit Mantle second behind a good OBP guy and Berra - who never struckout and had good power - third.

[scottmitchell74]

RBIs are a combination of hitter ability and luck. Two hitters with the same stats can have far different RBI totals due to their teammates.

Triple Crown is more rare than MVP but the MVP can be a better player than the TC winner as in 2012 when Mike Trout was a better player than Cabrera.

I know all this. I'm saying I don't care. I LOVE RBIs!

That said, you still want a certain batter in the 3-4-5 spots who can drive them home. You want Micky Mantle batting 3rd, not Billy Martin.

[noone]

Down with OPS, WAR and WHIP!

[booond]

I'll never give up RBIs!!

RBIs are a combination of hitter ability and luck. Two hitters with the same stats can have far different RBI totals due to their teammates.

Triple Crown is more rare than MVP but the MVP can be a better player than the TC winner as in 2012 when Mike Trout was a better player than Cabrera.

[Atticus]

Took 15 years but finally got this destructive thread shut down. Thank you gh.

You're right that it brought contentious perspectives, but sometimes ya just gotta air the dirty laundry to get the stink out!
That said, it ain't no thang to have or not have.

[lonewolf]

Took 15 years but finally got this destructive thread shut down. Thank you gh.

[Atticus]

I'll never give up RBIs!!

I'm wid ya. You can't win the Triple Crown (a higher achievement than MVP) without them!

In the last 100 years, these names are sacrosanct:

Rogers Hornsby
Jimmie Foxx
Chuck Klein
Lou Gehrig
Joe Medwick
Ted Williams
Mickey Mantle
Frank Robinson
Carl Yastrzemski
Miguel Cabrera

[scottmitchell74]

How's that horse and buggy you drove to get here?

I'll never give up RBIs!!

[booond]

I still love RBIs even though the Sabermetrics crowd dismisses them as the antiquated stat of a baseball luddite. Whatever!!

How's that horse and buggy you drove to get here?

[fasttrak85]

All i will say is on this board we have alot of ostriches who like to bury their head in the sand. So much things are obvious before they are official and then we act like its news when it is officially declared. Smh

[El Toro]

Since we are all so united who needs it?

I like the work you did there, jeremyp!

[wamego relays champ]

Ixnay

https://forum.trackandfieldnews.com/...ech-day-locked

Indeed, it is viewable while in its "Locked" status. Some of the past posts are interesting, like this prescient one from tandfman from 7/4/19.

https://forum.trackandfieldnews.com/...22#post1510722

[jeremyp]

Since we are all so united who needs it?