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  • #76
    Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post

    I guess for folks who have bought into the NBC narrative, the Olympics are a catastrophe but most of the world don't see it that way.
    Good point. The UK has already had its first ever repeat swimming champ and its first swimming 1-2 since 1908 plus diver Tom Daley finally getting gold at his 4th Games.
    Last edited by Trickstat; 07-28-2021, 10:25 PM.

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    • #77
      Television and Money have sort of ruined it all. The hype by NBC is absolutely exhausting on so many levels. I'll take Track as an example, but the below statement could apply to any and all of the sports in the Olympics:

      It's a TRACK MEET ! That's all it is !

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      • #78
        I wonder how many death threats she gets in a day?

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        • #79
          Originally posted by einnod23 View Post

          But THIS was to be her Olga, Nadia, and Mary Lou party!
          No. She already had that, after winning gold in 2016 and never losing a World Championship she entered. At the moment, she is where Nadia was in 1980. And by the way, Mary Lou retired after Los Angeles 1984 (or was it 1985 or '86?).

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          • #80
            Originally posted by KevinR View Post
            Well, until yesterday, she had made a strong argument for being on top. Number one ranked gymnast, and performing a number of feats no one had ever tried in competition. It is impossible for us to know what was going on inside her head. The tragedy of it is that it all transpired on the largest stage imaginable.
            The miscues that occurred on Sunday, not just by her but by the rest of the team, making her (more than anyone else since she is the most-decorated) even more afraid of failing. You need only to watch again how Donovan Brazier cracked and crashed at the 550 to 650 mark. Simone did not want to have such a moment that would have cost the whole team a medal, and she thought she was headed in that direction given her mental state on Sunday and/or Monday.
            Last edited by CookyMonzta; 07-27-2021, 09:23 PM.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by CookyMonzta View Post

              The miscues that occurred on Sunday, not just by her but by the rest of the team, making her (more than anyone else since she is the most-decorated) even more afraid of failing. You need only to watch again how Donovan Brazier cracked and crashed at the 550 to 650 mark. Simone did not want to have such a moment that would have cost the whole team a medal, and she thought she was headed in that direction given her mental state on Sunday and/or Monday.
              Donovan crashed and cracked a bone in his foot IIRC.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by NotDutra5 View Post

                Donovan crashed and cracked a bone in his foot IIRC.
                Now, I didn't know that. Did this occur during or before the race/meet? Was it serious enough that no one would have begrudged him if he had withdrawn?

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by CookyMonzta View Post

                  Now, I didn't know that. Did this occur during or before the race/meet? Was it serious enough that no one would have begrudged him if he had withdrawn?
                  It apparently was something he was dealing with for a while likely costing him training time. I don't think it was a cracking under the pressure situation for him.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post

                    Indeed....Already won once....should have quit when she was on top.
                    Amazing.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by dukehjsteve View Post
                      Television and Money have sort of ruined it all. The hype by NBC is absolutely exhausting on so many levels. I'll take Track as an example, but the below statement could apply to any and all of the sports in the Olympics:

                      It's a TRACK MEET ! That's all it is !
                      That and the Schrödinger's cat aspect to it all..

                      Was it really going to happen...

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by CookyMonzta View Post

                        The miscues that occurred on Sunday, not just by her but by the rest of the team, making her (more than anyone else since she is the most-decorated) even more afraid of failing. You need only to watch again how Donovan Brazier cracked and crashed at the 550 to 650 mark. Simone did not want to have such a moment that would have cost the whole team a medal, and she thought she was headed in that direction given her mental state on Sunday and/or Monday.
                        I was reading some of what she had to say in her press conference. She spoke of the demons in her head just taking over. She could not make the doubts go away. As you said, she felt the team had a better chance without her on the floor. I admire her for being so open and honest. I can only imagine how difficult it must have been for her teammates to compete after seeing that.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by CookyMonzta View Post

                          The miscues that occurred on Sunday, not just by her but by the rest of the team, making her (more than anyone else since she is the most-decorated) even more afraid of failing. You need only to watch again how Donovan Brazier cracked and crashed at the 550 to 650 mark. Simone did not want to have such a moment that would have cost the whole team a medal, and she thought she was headed in that direction given her mental state on Sunday and/or Monday.
                          It's not only about costing the team a medal; in gymnastics, if your mind is not ready and well, a mental mistake could make you break your neck.

                          The pole vault has similar breakneck dangers, but when their mind isn't in it they can more easily bow out of the competition by just running through without jumping, or taking a low-effort jump.

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                          • #88
                            The other thing in the back of my head is that she's the only one left competing from the group who took down Larry Nassar - she's made public statements before indicating that she feels she has to continue competing to make sure USAG can't just pretend the Nassar cover-up didn't happen and continue business as usual. That shouldn't be a role she has to put herself in, given the immense pressure these athletes are already under in normal circumstances. It must be brutal to represent USAG while you're trying to use your presence on the mat to remind them they still have to make amends.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by 18.99s View Post
                              The pole vault has similar breakneck dangers . . .or taking a low-effort jump.
                              Ain't no secha thang. Low-effort results in a stall-out, which is a sprained ankle (or worse) waiting to happen. I always told my kids to run all-out, and if you bail, make sure to throw the pole onto the side of the mat, not in front of you.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by mgallagh43 View Post
                                The other thing in the back of my head is that she's the only one left competing from the group who took down Larry Nassar - she's made public statements before indicating that she feels she has to continue competing to make sure USAG can't just pretend the Nassar cover-up didn't happen and continue business as usual. That shouldn't be a role she has to put herself in, given the immense pressure these athletes are already under in normal circumstances. It must be brutal to represent USAG while you're trying to use your presence on the mat to remind them they still have to make amends.
                                Not to mention a murder case against her brother, for which he was exonerated. The fallout from that case had to be somewhere in one corner of her mind.

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