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Originally posted by jazzcyclist
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Top-20, maybe.
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His prolific stats are in (large) part because of the modern emphasis on offense and the kid-glove QB treatment; so his top-5 stats are very deceptive.
Top-20, maybe.You there, on the motorbike! Sell me one of your melons! -
HOF for sure, but his total stats are as much about his era.Originally posted by Alcyallen View Post
Baugh
Graham
Unitas
Starr
Dawson
Staubach
Tarkington
Bradshaw
Fouts
MONTANA
Marino
Elway
Moon
Favre
Young
Manning
Warner
Brees
Rogers
Brady
Those are the for sure better.
Aikman
Manning
Rivers
Stabler
Kelly
Those are his ballpark...
Off the top of my head; might have missed someone(s).Last edited by scottmitchell74; 01-09-2022, 09:35 AM.You there, on the motorbike! Sell me one of your melons!Comment
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You really think Bradshaw was better than Big Ben, how?Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View PostComment
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Bradshaw was good in the regular season and was WAY better in the post-season. Much more efficient when that shouldn't be the case. 4 Rings. Great runner, especially early.Originally posted by Alcyallen View Post
Ben was quite a bit less efficient in the playoffs. 2 Rings.
Both were a bit better than league average in passer rating over their careers. Ben's stat dominance is strictly a factor of the offensive environments he played in.Last edited by scottmitchell74; 01-05-2022, 01:54 AM.You there, on the motorbike! Sell me one of your melons!Comment
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Well if it's all about rings forget Marino, Rivers, Tarkenton, Moon, Fouts, Kelly, they don't have any.Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View Post
Bradshaw had less of everything in the playoffs than Big Ben just like he did in reg season play, so....????
Where are you getting your stats from?
Bradshaw had 212 TD's 210 INT's.a terrible comp% and passer rating. All his years and he only made three pro bowls.Last edited by Alcyallen; 01-05-2022, 02:01 AM.Comment
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See, you ignored what I wrote. Their regular efficiency in context of era was very similar, but Bradshaw got WAY better in the playoffs while Ben got noticeably worse.Originally posted by Alcyallen View Post
Ben's overall regular season stat dominance is strictly and only an artifact of era.
I put Rivers in Ben's category.
The others you mention, despite lack of postseason success, had much better reputations in their time.
Tark retired with most if not all of the career NFL regular season records.
Fouts set multiple season records over and over.
Marino...come on.
Moon- I credIt him his Canadian time. Were it not for the...times...he would have had 5-6 more years in the NFL and it would have been Moon's records that Favre and following would have been chasing.
Kelly - Fair enough. I drop him to on-par with Ben. Ben had very little to do with his first ring while Kelly had so much to do with 4 straight appearances. Wash.
Rings are a tiebreaker if needed. If rings were all that mattered my boy Plunkett would be HOF and held in higher regard than Tark, Fouts, Marino as well. I love him, but that's silly.
Bradshaw had regular and postseason.
Bradshaw 14-5 playoffs
​​​​Ben 13-9 playoffs.
They had very, very similar playoff passer ratings. Adjusted for era Bradshaw annihilates Ben.Last edited by scottmitchell74; 01-05-2022, 02:23 AM.You there, on the motorbike! Sell me one of your melons!Comment
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First off Bradshaw had 73 INT's his first 4 seasons, think about that, His career comp % a terrible...51.9, that sucks in any era, as does his passer rating of 70.9. You won't find anyone who thinks Bradshaw was better than Big Ben, and Bradshaw played with 8 other Hall of Famers and one of the great D's ever.Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View Post
You can't be talking up Bradshaw 4 rings then make light of Marino having none as if no big deal.
Google....best Steelers QB look at what ya find.
Big Ben had twice as many pro bowls, and is among the best all time stat wise, he was by far a better QB than Terry Bradshaw.
People also ask
Who is the best Pittsburgh Steelers QB?
In addition to having led Pittsburgh to two Super Bowl titles, Big Ben has been one of the best statistical quarterbacks in NFL history. He ranks fifth all-time in passing yards and eighth in passing touchdowns.1 day agoLast edited by Alcyallen; 01-05-2022, 04:22 AM.Comment
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Will somebody bring Antonio Brown in for the playoff run, it wouldn't surprise me if it can be done***. I beat Dak and Zeke could sell him on being a Cowboy. Have seen stranger things happen.
*** don't know the legalities of all this.Comment
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It would need to be some players showing support and letting him know he is needed, do think if done right he'd jump at it. Guy is a serious talent way too good to let a freak out ruin things.Originally posted by J Rorick View Post
Yes yes he has some problems but sure can play football. No defender he can't destroy.Comment
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Jalen Ramsey and Marcus Lattimore could hold their own.Originally posted by Alcyallen View PostComment
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Pretty good list. But off the top of your head, you missed this guy who won 2 Super Bowls (and lost 3 others) for the Denver Broncos.Originally posted by scottmitchell74 View PostComment
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