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  • Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post
    The best athletes gravitate to where the money is and most kids outside of North America don't have an opportunity to play American football. Ryan Crouser (6'7", 320 pounds) is an outlier and if he hadn't been born and raised in Oregon into a family steeped in throwing, he would no doubt be playing in the NFL and making a lot more money than he's making now.
    He'd be a Division I college football player for sure, but getting onto an NFL roster is a whole 'nother level. Having the size and strength to be the best shot putter in the world doesn't mean you'll also be able to acquire the assortment of skills the NFL requires.

    It's more the pursuit of football and the NFL, than the NFL itself, which takes away many potential American world class sprinters and throwers. It's not that there are many would-be T&F gold medalists running around in the NFL; it's that many would-be gold medalists pursued football instead of T&F, and most saw their sports careers end with their last year of college football.
    Last edited by 18.99s; 05-29-2023, 02:26 PM.

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    • Originally posted by 18.99s View Post

      He'd be a Division I college football player for sure, but getting onto an NFL roster is a whole 'nother level. Having the size and strength to be the best shot putter in the world doesn't mean you'll also be able to acquire the assortment of skills the NFL requires.

      It's more the pursuit of football and the NFL, than the NFL itself, which takes away many potential American world class sprinters and throwers. It's not that there are many would-be T&F gold medalists running around in the NFL; it's that many would-be gold medalists pursued football instead of T&F, and most saw their sports careers end with their last year of college football.
      Not only does Crouser possess great size and strength but to be as great a shot putter as he is, also requires tremendous quickness and explosiveness, which are very useful when trying to sack a quarterback or protect a quarterback's blind side.
      Last edited by jazzcyclist; 05-29-2023, 02:42 PM.

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      • Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post
        Not only does Crouser possess great size and strength but to be as great a shot putter as he is, also requires tremendous quickness and explosiveness, which are very useful when trying to sack a quarterback or protect a quarterback's blind side.
        Yes, he has the physical athletic ability to be in the NFL, but the NFL requires other aspects like having good field vision and knowing how to react in various formations etc. That's why some guys who got great marks in the NFL combine (bench press, 40 yard, etc.) didn't make the roster after they were observed in training camp, and some others whose physical talents were unimpressive* became Hall of Famers.


        *relative to NFL draftees, not compared to the general population

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        • If he made it, and all the caveats of having to play the game for years and staying healthy apply, he'd likely be an interior linemen on either side of the ball where strength and short burst speed are very important. Definitely not rushing the passer and we'd have to see his footwork to understand whether he'd be capable in protecting the passer.

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          • Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post
            It looks like DK Metcalf and Tariq Hill want to race the 100 but they can't agree on the terms. Metcalf wants to do it in April or May, at least 3 months before the start of football season,while Hill wants to do it right before the season starts. If Metcalf got his way, he could race 10-15 pounds lighter than his football weight and still have time to put the weight back on before the season starts and perhaps that's what Hill is worried about. Surprisingly, Metcalf said he weighed 240 for the Mt. Sac race. Here's an interview with Metcalf on Undisputed. The track related portion of the interview starts at 8:30.

            (1) DK Metcalf joins Skip & Shannon to talk Seahawks, Geno Smth, NBA Playoffs & more | NFL | UNDISPUTED - YouTube‚Äč
            Sorry to nitpick, but just for clarity, it's Tyreek Hill (WR for the Dolphins and 20.14 prep in HS, etc.)

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            • Originally posted by booond View Post
              If he made it, and all the caveats of having to play the game for years and staying healthy apply, he'd likely be an interior linemen on either side of the ball where strength and short burst speed are very important. Definitely not rushing the passer and we'd have to see his footwork to understand whether he'd be capable in protecting the passer.
              I think he would more likely be a defensive end since of all the positions on the field, defensive ends have the shallowest learning curve. It takes years of experience to develop into an NFL offensive lineman. Remember, Margus Hunt (6'8", 295 lbs.) an Estonian-born discus thrower with no football experience prior SMU dropping its men's track and field program, was drafted in the 2nd round largely on his combine performance and lasted 9 years in the NFL as a defensive end.

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              • Originally posted by 18.99s View Post

                Yes, he has the physical athletic ability to be in the NFL, but the NFL requires other aspects like having good field vision and knowing how to react in various formations etc. That's why some guys who got great marks in the NFL combine (bench press, 40 yard, etc.) didn't make the roster after they were observed in training camp, and some others whose physical talents were unimpressive* became Hall of Famers.


                *relative to NFL draftees, not compared to the general population
                Additionally, in football you have to like to hit & be hit, by guys as big or bigger than you. Outside of the chest bump getting hit is not much much of a feature in the shot ring.

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                • Originally posted by bad hammy View Post

                  Additionally, in football you have to like to hit & be hit, by guys as big or bigger than you. Outside of the chest bump getting hit is not much much of a feature in the shot ring.
                  I've known players who like to hit but I've never met a football player who likes to get hit. Getting hit is an occupational hazard that players learn to accept but they don't like it.

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                  • Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post

                    I think he would more likely be a defensive end since of all the positions on the field, defensive ends have the shallowest learning curve. It takes years of experience to develop into an NFL offensive lineman. Remember, Margus Hunt (6'8", 295 lbs.) an Estonian-born discus thrower with no football experience prior SMU dropping its men's track and field program, was drafted in the 2nd round largely on his combine performance and lasted 9 years in the NFL as a defensive end.
                    Hunt played 4 years at SMU - 53 games - so there was plenty of film on him along with an excellent combine. He wasn't a neophyte. He was a mediocre NFL player, though, who had a total of 8.5 sacks in 114 games and only started one full year out of the nine.

                    He was also far lighter than Crouser - 277 - at the combine to Crouser's 325? 350? Not many successful DEs at over 300 let alone heavier. Reggie White was 290, Bruce Smith far less. Many DEs are pumped up OLBs and range between 250 and 275.

                    Richard Seymour - 6-6/315 - might be the best comp of the great DLs but he played DT as often as DE and was never a sack monster.

                    Here is Hunts PFR page: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...sfp=2642313323

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                    • Originally posted by booond View Post

                      Hunt played 4 years at SMU - 53 games - so there was plenty of film on him along with an excellent combine. He wasn't a neophyte. He was a mediocre NFL player, though, who had a total of 8.5 sacks in 114 games and only started one full year out of the nine.

                      He was also far lighter than Crouser - 277 - at the combine to Crouser's 325? 350? Not many successful DEs at over 300 let alone heavier. Reggie White was 290, Bruce Smith far less. Many DEs are pumped up OLBs and range between 250 and 275.

                      Richard Seymour - 6-6/315 - might be the best comp of the great DLs but he played DT as often as DE and was never a sack monster.

                      Here is Hunts PFR page: https://www.pro-football-reference.c...sfp=2642313323
                      Even as a journeyman, Hunt made about $19 million during his NFL career. How many shot putters make that sort of money. Also, we can speculate about what Crouser weighs but that doesn't mean his current weight would have been his football weight if he had chosen to go in that direction. Does anyone think DK Metcalf would weigh 240 if he decided to be a full-time sprinter?

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                      • Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post

                        I've known players who like to hit but I've never met a football player who likes to get hit. Getting hit is an occupational hazard that players learn to accept but they don't like it.
                        "Like" to get hit isn't the best choice of words; "tolerate" would be more accurate. If you can't tolerate the hits mentally and physically, you won't get into and stay in the NFL. You can't let the pain or fear stop you from making the right choices in a game, and you have to be able to absorb the blows without accumulating injuries that derail your career in the sport.
                        Last edited by 18.99s; 05-29-2023, 09:58 PM.

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                        • I've notice QBs and Receivers have started "conditioning" this week.... does that mean Devon Allen has hung up the spikes to but on cleats for the test of the year?

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                          • Originally posted by DET59 View Post

                            I've notice QBs and Receivers have started "conditioning" this week.... does that mean Devon Allen has hung up the spikes to but on cleats for the test of the year?
                            He's entered in the Rome (Florence) Diamond League meet scheduled to be held this coming Friday, June 2.

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                            • Originally posted by Davidokun View Post

                              He's entered in the Rome (Florence) Diamond League meet scheduled to be held this coming Friday, June 2.
                              He looked smooth at 13.19 behind Grant and ahead of the other two Americans. So, will the Eagles let him out of Training Camp in August if he gets one of the 4 USA WC spots? Is there a precident? I remember the Patriots gave Nate Ebner time off to go to 2016 Olympics on the Rugby Sevens team....

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                              • Originally posted by DET59 View Post
                                I've notice QBs and Receivers have started "conditioning" this week....
                                Maybe that doesn't include the practice squad.

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