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    • Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post

      What's this us? The present March Madness is hugely popular. The only ones complaining are the losing fans.

      https://nycsportsnation.com/2023/02/...han-you-think/
      It's entertaining but it's flawed because it doesn't allow the cream to rise to the top. If the NBA playoffs were single elimination, Michael Jordan would have only won 2 titles, not 6, because 1996 and 1997 were only years that those Bulls teams won the first game of every series.

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      • The best season by an NCAA baseball team. (Lost in CWS)

        1972 Arizona State Sun Devils baseball team - Wikipedia

        The best season by an NCAA softball team. (2nd in conference.)

        1992 UCLA Bruins softball team - Wikipedia

        Oklahoma lost three game last year, and that was the best season since 1992 UCLA. (They lost in the Big 12 tournament.) ​

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        • Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post

          It's entertaining but it's flawed because it doesn't allow the cream to rise to the top. If the NBA playoffs were single elimination, Michael Jordan would have only won 2 titles, not 6, because 1996 and 1997 were only years that those Bulls teams won the first game of every series.
          Who cares ....obviously nobody since the tournament is hugely popular. Part of the attraction is the 'cream' do lose occasionally. Just as in track.....ask Ingebrigtsen...

          The NBA is not college basketball. And going by the first game result when they knew at the time they had 6 left is silly.

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          • Originally posted by Conor Dary View Post
            The NBA is not college basketball. And going by the first game result when they knew at the time they had 6 left is silly.
            Come on man. Implying that any NBA team would ever intentionally lose the first game of a 7-game series is silly. 🙄

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            • Tough to be enthusiastic about D1Hoops when guys like Pitino keep getting hired.

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              • Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post

                It's entertaining but it's flawed because it doesn't allow the cream to rise to the top. If the NBA playoffs were single elimination, Michael Jordan would have only won 2 titles, not 6, because 1996 and 1997 were only years that those Bulls teams won the first game of every series.
                Really just a matter of terminology, but it is a single elimination tournament in that if you lose a round/series, you're out. No consolation bracket, no third place match, no more games after you're eliminated from the main bracket at all.

                Also, you kind of have to give Jordan credit for 1989 under that thought experiment as the bulls won the first game of each playoff series that year, including in the conference finals against Detroit, the eventual NBA Champions.

                I do agree that the NBA Playoffs will produce a more statistically significant champion than the NCAA tournament. Winning 6 games in a row is tough is a pretty big ask, even if the first couple of rounds should be a given for an elite team.

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                • Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post
                  Come on man. Implying that any NBA team would ever intentionally lose the first game of a 7-game series is silly. 🙄
                  Good grief....it's obvious that's not what I meant!

                  For Jordan losing the first game was like not being in the lead on the first lap. He was an entirely different player when it was all on the line.

                  Anyways this discussion is a waste of time. The NCAA is never going to change the format no matter what...except adding more teams. So relax.

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                  • ESPN weighs in on parity/mid-majors in the tournament... https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...caa-tournament

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                    • Originally posted by jc203 View Post
                      Tough to be enthusiastic about D1Hoops when guys like Pitino keep getting hired.
                      for better or for worse his "name" puts people in the stands

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                      • Originally posted by SoCal45 View Post
                        ESPN weighs in on parity/mid-majors in the tournament... https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...caa-tournament
                        We can debate how we've gotten here -- it probably has more to do with the diminishing quality of the top teams than the bottom teams -- and we can debate whether this is actually good for the sport.

                        At its best, parity convinces a huge number of fan bases that their team can win it all -- or at least make a huge run -- and hopeful fans are engaged fans. ESPN's TV ratings this season were reportedly as high as they've been since before the pandemic, and Thursday's first-round TV viewership was the highest in eight years. At worst, the success of mid-majors in the NCAA tournament hasn't hurt anything. At best, it has
                        helped significantly.

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                        • Originally posted by jc203 View Post
                          Tough to be enthusiastic about D1Hoops when guys like Pitino keep getting hired.
                          Easy to be enthusiastic about women's D1 hoops with a coach like Tara VanDerveer. It's also easy to be enthusiastic when the best players stay with the team for four years.

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                            • Kansas State v Michigan State - one of the great college games you'll ever see. Tough to see either team lose.

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                              • Originally posted by bambam1729 View Post
                                Kansas State v Michigan State - one of the great college games you'll ever see. Tough to see either team lose.
                                Indeed! And heartbreaking if you're a hardcore Spartan fan (like me)! 😭😭😭

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