2022-23 College Basketball

[TN1965]

Muffet McGraw on transfer portal and NIL.

Video: Former NCAA basketball coach reveals what she thinks is 'ruining' college sports | CNN

[bambam1729]

Duke's women's team has 11 transfer players, including six graduate students. I have nothing against transfers in general, and I understand many players left the program when they changed the head coach. But this still looks excessive to me.

https://goduke.com/sports/womens-basketball/roster

Many players left the program because the new coach, Kara Lawson, basically ran them off because they weren'y any good. Our previous coach was terrible and a laughing stock even among other Duke sport coaches (from personal contact), and she was no longer getting any top players. The coach before her, from about 1992-2005 or so, Gail Goestenkors, was beloved at Duke and many were hoping she would come back but they chose Lawson, which seems to have worked out pretty well. Lawson did ESPN commentary and also was an assistant with the Boston Celtics more recently.

Goestenkors had taken Duke to several Final Fours and one National Championship game, but never quite could get the title. She left Duke for Texas, but had less success there and left after a few years and then coached in the WNBA. From one of the former players info (now a surgeon) she left Duke because she was getting divorced, and wanted to get away and just wanted a new start in life. Again, we loved her at Duke and I think she loved it there also.

Some of the inside skinny.

[DrJay]

The second hand skinny on UNC:

I saw _______ on Franklin Street (he may have been a classmate of ______, sits at ______________ for home games); he was coy, but he suggested there would be wide-spread departures and there was some dissatisfaction on the team, with personal stuff, kind of sounded like one Jeff McGuiness-type stuff. But he said Hubert is fairly clear-minded about his expectations from players. Hmmm, sounds like... Dean Smith'ish?

The third-hand skinny:

Of course Black and Nance are gone.
Caleb Love will go - pro is biggest option. Transfer is 2nd option but not likely.
RJ Davis will be back.
Armando Bacot is leaning towards coming back. This one is not yet decided but seems higher to a return than departure.
We already got news of Justin McKoy leaving. This was my sources information as well.
Same with Tyler Nickel. This news already broke but this was the sources information as well.
Jalen Washington will return. He is waiting to still see what happens after all conversations are complete and what moves happen but pretty sure will return.
Seth Trimble will return.
D'Marco Dunn will return.
Dontrez Styles is about 60-40 or 50-50 on a return or transfer. Still waiting on who leaves and who Davis and staff bring in. Waiting on the overall plan for him on the team.
Will Shaver will return.
Puff Johnson will return.
So with all of that and Wilcher and High coming in, that leaves us at 10 scholarship players, if this information is correct and those with a good chance of returning does in fact return, we will have 3 options for transfers. A wing and post will be our biggest needs. This is what Davis and staff are focusing on most and trying to lock up earlier. They are focusing most on 2024 and 2025 recruiting, to get a good finish to each of the next two classes. 2024 is off to a great start and from sources will finish very strong. 2025 has a lot of options as well and seems to be going in a good direction, per source.

[TN1965]

Many players left the program because the new coach, Kara Lawson, basically ran them off because they weren'y any good. Our previous coach was terrible and a laughing stock even among other Duke sport coaches (from personal contact), and she was no longer getting any top players. The coach before her, from about 1992-2005 or so, Gail Goestenkors, was beloved at Duke and many were hoping she would come back but they chose Lawson, which seems to have worked out pretty well. Lawson did ESPN commentary and also was an assistant with the Boston Celtics more recently.

Goestenkors had taken Duke to several Final Fours and one National Championship game, but never quite could get the title. She left Duke for Texas, but had less success there and left after a few years and then coached in the WNBA. From one of the former players info (now a surgeon) she left Duke because she was getting divorced, and wanted to get away and just wanted a new start in life. Again, we loved her at Duke and I think she loved it there also.

Some of the inside skinny.

Duke made two championship games under Coach G, in 1999 with help from two Purdue transfers (Erickson and Van Gorp) and in 2006 when they were seven seconds away from the title before Kristi Toliver forced the OT with a three. Erickson and Van Gorp transferred after Lynn Dunn was fired, and Goestenkors was Dunn's assistant at Purdue. (Ironically, they lost to Purdue in the championship game, and Goestenkors later became an assistant to Stephanie White at Indian Fever.) I didn't know she was "loved" at Duke, because she openly complained to the media about how the athletic department didn't respect her team enough, including her salary being smaller than some of the assistant coaches of their dismal football team. At least she didn't sound like she loved it there.

But she did not run off players she inherited from a team that finished dead last in ACC, and they lost the top four sorcerers and the leading rebounder to either graduation or transfer. Instead, she trained them to be better players. Of course, this was way before the transfer portal, but she didn't take the short cut that Lawson did.

[bambam1729]

I didn't know Goestenkors personally, although I met her very briefly a couple times at athletic department parties, but I never heard she was unhappy at Duke. It could be true, because in that era, women's sports were way behind men's sports in terms of coaches salaries. Still behind but at least they're closing the gap. I know the coach before her, Debbie Leonard (first women's hoop coach at Duke), was very unhappy because of the lack of support from the athletic department, and I thought one of the things Butters promised Coach G was better support for the women's program.

[DrJay]

But she did not run off players she inherited from a team that finished dead last in ACC, and they lost the top four sorcerers.....

Damn! I wish Carolina had some of them sorcerers....

[DrJay]

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[bambam1729]

I attended Duke 1969-73 - tuition was a little over $2,000/year and that was a lot for my parents back then as we were not wealthy at all. My Dad lost his job after my sophomore year and they sat me down when I got home from school and told me they couldn't afford to send me back to school that fall. Fortunately, the athletic director came thru with a scholarship for me - first golf scholarship Duke ever gave.

Attended Duke Med School 1980-84 - paid my own way and tuition was about $9,800/year. Paying my own way with my wife as a flight attendant was painful but somehow we made it.

[jazzcyclist]

The real college basketball season has finally begun.

[TN1965]

I was watching one of the play-in games last night, and wondered whether they are better off by playing this. If you are Tennessee Tech, wouldn't you rather win one game before getting blown out by Indiana? Even if you are Monmouth, playing a competitive game might be better experience than a total blowout.

Even for the 11 seeds, this should be better. If there were no First Four, both teams would be out of the tournament, since all conference champions would get automatic bids.

[TN1965]

Given she has been already injured twice in her college career, maybe Paige Bueckers should take a page out of this.

Caitlin Clark hit the gym to 'take her game to the next level.' Here's how she did it, according to the trainer who helped her. (yahoo.com)

[18.99s]

I attended Duke 1969-73 - tuition was a little over $2,000/year and that was a lot for my parents back then as we were not wealthy at all. My Dad lost his job after my sophomore year and they sat me down when I got home from school and told me they couldn't afford to send me back to school that fall. Fortunately, the athletic director came thru with a scholarship for me - first golf scholarship Duke ever gave.

Attended Duke Med School 1980-84 - paid my own way and tuition was about $9,800/year. Paying my own way with my wife as a flight attendant was painful but somehow we made it.

In the early 1990s when I was in college, in-state tuition for state universities in Florida was under $2000/year (as an international student I was out-of-state, but I had a scholarship that paid the out-of-state portion). Add in room and board and it was barely $6000/year for a full-time in-state student living on campus (if they didn't take classes in the summer semester, and chose one of the cheapest rooms, and bought most of their food at the supermarket instead of the cafeteria or nearby fast food places).

Students could pay 100% of their own college costs by working a 25 hrs/week minimum wage job during the spring and fall semesters, and full time 45-50 hours during the summer break (if they lived with their parents rent free during the summer).

Now the total annual costs of many of these colleges are exceeding the median household income for two adults working year-round full time jobs. Just insane. The federal government is very willing to tell colleges to do or not do various things as a condition of receiving federal funds, but is somehow afraid to tell them to reign in the tuition increases.

[DrJay]

humble pie

noun
1. A 1960s/70s British rock band.
2. Chef's special in Durham, NC this weekend.

[donley2]

humble pie

noun
1. A 1960s/70s British rock band.
2. Chef's special in Durham, NC this weekend.

Over half of the ESPN pundits picked Duke for the final four. No east coast/ACC/Duke bias there huh.

[dukehjsteve]

Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. But no one can take away from us what's listed here:

1991
1992
2001
2010
2015

And this year, winning the ACC tournament, and beating UNC twice... it was a darn good year.