How do athletes w/ criminal records get into Canada?

[paulthefan]

what is a TOE?

[bad hammy]

One of those ugly little things at the end of your feet??

[Novitiate]

It is properly flout, however this is a not so rare case where the error becomes the accepted rule:

www.m-w.com/dictionary/flaunt

The confusion between the two has been longstanding and has led to a common usage of flaunt in this exact manner. It is after more than a century, accepted usage.

Today is Semantic Saturday: You refer to a respectable source though I'm not convinced one source is enough in this instance. Others disagree:

Commonly Confused Words
These are some of the pairs of words that are most often confused with each other.

flaunt with flout; flaunt means 'display ostentatiously', while flout means 'openly disregard (a rule)'.

FROM:
http://www.askoxford.com/betterwriting/ ... /confused/


—Usage note 4. The use of flaunt to mean “to ignore or treat with disdain” (He flaunts community standards with his behavior) is strongly objected to by many usage guides, which insist that only flout can properly express this meaning....... Nevertheless, many regard the senses of flaunt and flout as entirely unrelated and concerned speakers and writers still continue to keep them separate.

FROM:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/flaunt

[paulthefan]

sounds like you agree with me, .. if not please state what part of my explanation with which you do not agree.

the problem may be in the different views of the role of a "dictionary" that miriam webster takes and oxford takes. ... Miriam webster would imply that when two words are confused so often that one comes to mean what the other means for a broad range of the population over a long period of time that word assumes the definition of the other. Miriam Webster then unlike it seems oxford views the language as an organic part of human communication and is simply recording what words mean to people.

I accept full responsibility for going with the flow and following the pack as defined by m-w.com.

I thank you however and in the future will probably use the more etymologically sound flout.

but rest assured that the process by which flaunt came to take on the meaning of flout has been occuring with words for 10s of thousands of years and will contine to slowly morph our language... we likely can never extricate ourselves from the tangle. .. It is quite possible that a good percentage of the words we use have a suspect pedigree.. if not in their recent english incarnations certainly in their root language.

[tandfman]

the problem may be in the different views of the role of a "dictionary" that miriam webster takes and oxford takes. ... Miriam webster would imply that when two words are confused so often that one comes to mean what the other means for a broad range of the population over a long period of time that word assumes the definition of the other. Miriam Webster then unlike it seems oxford views the language as an organic part of human communication and is simply recording what words mean to people.

Next time I see Miriam, I'll have to talk to her about that.

[paulthefan]

but dont forget to let her know that you are aware of this part:

but rest assured that the process by which flaunt came to take on the meaning of flout has been occuring with words for 10s of thousands of years and will contine to slowly morph our language... we likely can never extricate ourselves from the tangle. .. It is quite possible that a good percentage of the words we use have a suspect pedigree.. if not in their recent english incarnations certainly in their root language.

[malmo]

In the US illegal entrants have the good manners to get falsified identification and entry documents so as not to insult the US citizen to his face and flaunt US law.

I think what you mean is "flout" not "flaunt".

You watch, Malmo will check in on this, just prior to Beijing '08 :twisted:

And that means exactly what?

[mike renfro]

In the US illegal entrants have the good manners to get falsified identification and entry documents so as not to insult the US citizen to his face and flaunt US law.

I think what you mean is "flout" not "flaunt".

You watch, Malmo will check in on this, just prior to Beijing '08 :twisted:

And that means exactly what?

That you took quite awhile to correctly note the problem with intrinsic vis-a-vis extrinsic. That's all. And I was wrong, only a couple days.

[malmo]

[quote=mike renfro]

In the US illegal entrants have the good manners to get falsified identification and entry documents so as not to insult the US citizen to his face and flaunt US law.

I think what you mean is "flout" not "flaunt".

You watch, Malmo will check in on this, just prior to Beijing '08 :twisted:

And that means exactly what?

That you took quite awhile to correctly note the problem with intrinsic vis-a-vis extrinsic. That's all. And I was wrong, only a couple days.[/quote:1u75zxlc]

I don't get it?

[tandfman]

Re: How do athletes w/ criminal records get into Canada?

I read in a travel magazine the other day that anyone with a criminal record more serious than a parking or speeding ticket is not allowed into Canada. This includes DUI, reckless driving, etc. Many nations do not admit people who have committed crimes of moral terpitude, but Canada is more strict.

Well, you know that there are plenty of NBA and MLB athletes who have DUIs, disorderly conduct, etc., on their record. How do these guys get into Canada?

BTW, we should reciprocate and not allow Dany Heatley (among others) into the US.

It appears that we are tough, too. If you've ever used drugs, whether or not that has resulted in a conviction, you may not be able to get past our border people. Even if you're a Canadian psychotherapist with two kids living in the US. And even if your last drug use occurred more than 30 years ago.

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/05/14/us/14bar.html

[lonewolf]

When I was in school, the most frightening threat in a teachers arsenal was that an infraction was "going on your permanent record".. this may have been a hollow threat in pre-computer days but not so today..

[BillVol]

A few articles related to this topic...


http://www.chroniclejournal.com/stories.php?id=45941

http://www.fftimes.com/index.php/1/2007-06-13/31193

http://www.beyondchron.org/articles/Can ... _4610.html

[lonewolf]

I have entered Canada with and without passport innumerable times in the last thirty five years and have never had a problem in either direction.

True, I do not have a criminal record but how do the border agents know that?

I was a landed immigrant in Canada in the 60s and I presume my criminal record or lack thereof was checked for that purpose but on casual crossings there is no apparent check of my identity against a no-enter list..